Any other bowhunters want to throw up?

[dreamingbig]

I just read the proposed elk regs and the amount of lost opportunity by bowhunters is absurd.

The Nile, Bumping and Rimrock is all spike only with no cow permits.  Both modern and muzzle loader have cow permits.

I can’t make sense of these proposed changes.

I can’t sleep now... GGRRRRRR


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[hughjorgan]

I believe we are getting fed a nice chit sandwich. I just crunched the harvest numbers and in no way has our harvest increased enough in the Nile, bumping or rimrock to warrant taking away our opportunity to hunt cows.

The take of cows in the quilomene and naneum on the other hand from the last two years available data show a substantial increase of cows taken.

[Skyvalhunter]

Its a choice of weapon cycle where in 6 yrs you will get your cow permits back, kind of like the wolf ungulate cycle. Think of it as an experiment by WDFW

[MADMAX]

Total BS
West side here I come .......... again

[dreamingbig]

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[92xj]

I'm curious if bowhunters have any support from muzzleloader and rifle hunters that benefited from the taking away of bowhunters or if they support the proposed changes.

[Karl Blanchard]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

[jdb]

Isn't there still cows to hunt late?

[92xj]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

[92xj]

Isn't there still cows to hunt late?

Yep and those cows stay exactly in the same place in late November and early December as they do in September. Especially with all the farms and feed stations down low, they have zero desire to leave and go to that nice fresh lowland private out of unit food. The late season is like shooting fish in a barrel up there.

[Karl Blanchard]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

  I haven't looked over all of the proposed permits yet so I couldn't speak to that yet.  I'm speaking to the Yakima pmu not klickitat.   Had a good convo with a bio friend last fall and the Yakima herd is down thousands of animals over the last three years.  End goal should be healthy robust herds.  If that comes with the loss of some opportunity for a 3 year cycle I'm ok with that within reason.  Did they add a significant amount of cow tags for muzzy and rifle in the Yakima gmu's?

I'm still extremely angry that the state fails to do anything to help our mule deer herds in this state.

[92xj]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

  I haven't looked over all of the proposed permits yet so I couldn't speak to that yet.  I'm speaking to the Yakima pmu not klickitat.   Had a good convo with a bio friend last fall and the Yakima herd is down thousands of animals over the last three years.  End goal should be healthy robust herds.  If that comes with the loss of some opportunity for a 3 year cycle I'm ok with that within reason.  Did they add a significant amount of cow tags for muzzy and rifle in the Yakima gmu's?

I'm still extremely angry that the state fails to do anything to help our mule deer herds in this state.

Well, maybe not. I could have been mistake and misspoke.  I thought I had read there was an increase in permit cow tags for those two groups, but I just looked at the pdf and did not see an increase, just the same number of cow permit tags for them. 
But then I question, why not decrease those tags to help build the herd?
Taken something 100% away from one group just sucks, for whatever group that is.  Give and take, not just take.

[Karl Blanchard]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

  I haven't looked over all of the proposed permits yet so I couldn't speak to that yet.  I'm speaking to the Yakima pmu not klickitat.   Had a good convo with a bio friend last fall and the Yakima herd is down thousands of animals over the last three years.  End goal should be healthy robust herds.  If that comes with the loss of some opportunity for a 3 year cycle I'm ok with that within reason.  Did they add a significant amount of cow tags for muzzy and rifle in the Yakima gmu's?

I'm still extremely angry that the state fails to do anything to help our mule deer herds in this state.

Well, maybe not. I could have been mistake and misspoke.  I thought I had read there was an increase in permit cow tags for those two groups, but I just looked at the pdf and did not see an increase, just the same number of cow permit tags for them. 
But then I question, why not decrease those tags to help build the herd?
Taken something 100% away from one group just sucks, for whatever group that is.  Give and take, not just take.

  I agree 100%. However we still have late season opportunities. But I would also argue that taking away rifle and Muzzleloader cow permits would be more effective than General archery especially the early-season. I have not looked at Harvest data to back that up though so maybe I'm just talking out my behind LOL. 

[Karl Blanchard]

It does look like the kittitas boys took it in the shorts though with big permit increases.

[vandeman17]

I just get the feel that there is more to the halting of archery cow tags than meets the eye. Maybe some influence from a certain group behind the scenes had some sway in this vote...