Any other bowhunters want to throw up?

[Skyvalhunter]

I don't have much faith in them doing and changes to their proposals. I just think they are going thru the motions or WAC code. But I might be wrong.

[Rainier10]

Just submitted my comments.

Believe me they do get heard.  The commission specifically asks about the public input.  The WDFW employee that is speaking on each rule says, "we got this much feed back in favor of this rule and this much feedback opposing this rule"  The commission then asks if there were any proposed solutions and alternatives.  The employee then says what if any of those solutions or suggestions were.

[stackemup]

Anyone have a link for the public comments?

[dreamingbig]

Anyone have a link for the public comments?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/seasonsetting/2018-2020/index.php


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[stackemup]

Got my oppose submitted for this rule change. I hope WSB is putting something together for this. I know they got 356 re opened for us the last time they took are cows away.

[dreamingbig]

Agreed but it took 3 years last time.  We had to sit out 2010 and 2011.  2012 was a whopping 50 cow tags.  It wasn’t until 2013 that we got cows back and I guess only for 5 years.


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[hughjorgan]

Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we aren’t fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, can’t really speak for the bumping unit. But we haven’t taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...

[Calvin Rayborn]

#metoo! 

[dreamingbig]

Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we aren’t fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, can’t really speak for the bumping unit. But we haven’t taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...

346 has been closed for cows since 2012.

In the late season the cows have enough room they can skirt the Nile unit. They smarten up.


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[hughjorgan]

Last time they curtailed the cow season to build the herd back up because they said to many cows were being taken by archers they were able to open up 346 to give us opportunity. This time we aren’t fairing very well. The numbers are definetly down in the Nile in the areas I have been hunting, can’t really speak for the bumping unit. But we haven’t taken any more cows in the past 5 seasons as a group than we did before. The only thing that changed was the WDFW giving out cow tags to other user groups...

346 has been closed for cows since 2012.

its been closed to elk hunting since then unless you have a big bull tag

In the late season the cows have enough room they can skirt the Nile unit. They smarten up.

the late season in the Nile is a zoo and your only hunting local elk anyways, 346 is a waste of time to hunt during the late since the majority of the ek have moved out of the unit


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[dreamingbig]

Yep.  Why would the elk travel through 352?  They don’t anymore.  The orange lined units are closed in late season.  They can go straight from bumping to Bethell and into Cowiche if they choose with only Native American hunters to dodge.




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[Limhangerslayer]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

[92xj]

Whether we want to admit it or not overall population of the Yakima pmu is down significantly over the last couple years. We are still allowed late season so I don't see anything wrong with the 3-year cycle of letting the herb build back up. I also believe that should be Universal across the board and not just early archery as I think that's a pretty small Band-Aid for pretty big wound. This is coming from a guy who loves early archery season and despises having to hunt late archery. Backpacking in the sunshine and calling in Elk is the best thing ever and I'll still be doing it but I'll be looking for spikes.

show me the increases for us muzzleloaders in ride units?

So, you're for the substantial increase in cow tags for the muzzleloader and rifle guys? Your opinion is those new tags will tag out less cows than the OTC archery cow tag and build the herd back up?

Please don't take those as negatives just genuine guestions for me to gain more knowledge.

Jesus, keep reading all the responses. I already said I said a mistake and misspoke. I didn't delete the comments because the flow of the thread had already taken shape. I corrected and said the cow permits are still the same number but at least you have the option to hunt cows.
What else do you need from me?

[92xj]

Muzzleloaders and rifle guys.
Are you going to support the change and be for the elimination of all cow tags and no permit cow tags for archery guys or are you going to support the bow hunters and reject the elimination of all cow tags?
Will hunters stick together or divide farther?

[jdb]

I find it hard to believe that the elk from the bumping are migrating to the cowiche.