.25-06 beats out the 6.5 Creedmoor

[h20hunter]

Size of manbun. Duh.

[Gringo31]

I've always liked to take a look at Chuck Hawk's MPBR table.  It paints a good light on some of this discussion.

[magnanimous_j]

I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but every time I look at them I don’t really see the allure.

Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled.  I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?

Anyone want to enlighten me?

I don't think the 6.5 Creed does anything truly unique, but its a great choice if you need a rifle in that segment. For me, I have a 30-06 that was my only hunting rifle. I've always thought it was pretty good at most things, but not excellent at anything.

I got the Creedmoor because I wanted something that would be excellent for deer, and give me the ability to reach out further if I got the opportunity for antelope or a long range, open field Eastern Washington kind of hunt.  If I ever branch out into elk or bears, I'll probably get a .300 win mag or something like that.

I also like the low-ish ammo costs. Some of these less common rounds can cost 2 or 3 bucks a piece. The American Whitetail 129gr Interlocks my Savage likes run me about .85 a round.

But if I'd already had a rifle for those uses, I doubt I would be that tempted to switch.

[Woodchuck]

It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses.  Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil.  Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer.  This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment.  The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.

People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer.  If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier.  Study after study proves this out.

But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
 

You mean to tell me that my .338WM won't kill animals any deader than my 25-06? BALDERDASH!!!!

[Ridgeratt]

Deader Deer     

[Blacktail Sniper]

I don’t own a 6.5 Creedmoor, but every time I look at them I don’t really see the allure.

Don’t get me wrong, I am sure they kill lots of animals and ping lots of steel, but I guess I don’t see what empty nitch it filled.  I fully understand we have tons of overlap in cartridges, and market forces have shown people want it, but does it do that other cartridges don’t already?

Anyone want to enlighten me?

There is always this....

[h20hunter]

All valid points.  Kudos for using the term balderdash.

[jackelope]

It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses.  Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil.  Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer.  This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment.  The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.

People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer.  If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier.  Study after study proves this out.

But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
 

Uhh...it's "more deader"...

[jamesfromseattle]

All valid points.  Kudos for using the term balderdash.

Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.

[Woodchuck]

All valid points.  Kudos for using the term balderdash.

Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.

I am always here to help. 

[Curly]

The author of the article about the 25-06 beating the 6.5 CM used the table to compare the cartridges, but his conclusion could easily have gone the other way.  He could have argued that the CM beats the .25-06.

The high BC of the .264 bullets show that it is superior in the wind drift category.  And wind is the hardest to judge in the field, thus the higher BC .264 bullet would be advantageous.  Plus using RL26 in the CM can gain quite a bit more fps so the wind drift value is even going to be better if the velocity gets bumped even more.

[Bob33]

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/25-06-remington-beats-6-5-creedmoor/

For most hunters the differences will be insignificant.

[jackelope]

All valid points.  Kudos for using the term balderdash.

Agreed. Heard the word before but didn’t actually know what it meant. Had to look it up. I learned something today.

I am always here to help. 

Woodblock is always here when you need him!!

[mountainman]

It's really just marketing a specialized product to the masses.  Truth be told, unless you're target shooting at known long range distances the actual difference between the 112 year old 30-06 with a decent bullet and anything else in "MOST" North American hunting situations is nil.  Dead is dead, you can't engineer or design for a deader deer.  This is really all about marketers creating a fake need that their clients can fill by selling you a new 321 Whizbang, and we eat it up because it promises greater/easier success for a cash investment.  The better thing to do would be to increase trigger time behind that old -06 and increase your lethality that way.

People are easy to manipulate for a good marketer.  If folks would stop reading/watching the promotional garbage they call outdoor entertainment and spend more time having experiences with the good equipment they already have instead of spending money to have more things, they would be much happier.  Study after study proves this out.

But marketers and their client companies need us to be unsatisfied... So we will continue to have the 6.5 Creedmor and its kin.
 

Well said and lots of truth there..but then again, what's the fun in that?

[jackelope]

That’s about what it comes down to. There’s fun to be had if you want it in geeking out about bullets and ballistics and long range and short range and blah blah blah.