EGR Delete in King County?

[thom9719]

I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.7 powerstroke in it and have had the standard EGR issues, so I'm ready to delete. Before I take the plunge though, I wanted to make sure I'm not going to run into any issues.

Question 1: I don't have to do emissions now, is the emissions system on a rolling timetable? (will I have to do it once the truck reaches a certain age?) I don't want to get screwed in 5 years if I delete it now.

Question 1A: If I do eventually have to do emissions, can I just fail the test, pay my $150 for attempting to pass, and then get a pass?

Question 2: Has anyone sold a truck with an EGR delete? How about trading it in at the dealer? Has it been a difficult sell, or was it the same as selling an untouched truck?

Thanks!

[KFhunter]

It's illegal, just to make that clear.  If you take anything off, keep it.  Once you have to do your emissions you'll need to put it back on, there is emissions test stuff sold in bottles but I have no idea if they work or are a gimmik.   EPA has put us diesel owners in an impossible conundrum, keep paying to have your truck fixed or uncork it and expect to re-cork it sometime down the road.

Just make sure you do not throw out your stock parts.



@jackelope

[jackelope]

You won't/shouldn't get a shop anywhere to work on it unless they just ignore law and potential enormous fines.

You'll never pass an emission test here. You have to get a waiver from a state certified emissions shop in order to spend the $150. We're not a certified shop so I don't know all the ins and outs...but I believe you have to make an attempt at repairing the problem in order to get the waiver. In a legit shop, you can't just pay $150 for a waiver.

I think at 10 years old you'll have to do emission depending on where you live. I live in King County but don't have to do emissions at all where I live.

[BULLBLASTER]

I thought the state wide emissions law was moonlighting in the next couple years and going away?

[Buckmark]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

[206]

. You have to get a waiver from a state certified emissions shop in order to spend the $150. We're not a certified shop so I don't know all the ins and outs...but I believe you have to make an attempt at repairing the problem in order to get the waiver. In a legit shop, you can't just pay $150 for a waiver.

I think it's $175 that I pay every 2 years.  First fail the test.  Go to Certified place as said above and pay the 175.  Take receipt to emissions and they waive it in the office.  Order tabs.

[206]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

Missed the 2011 part.  Yep there are only certain years required for the test.  Woo hoo on the Dec 31 2019 date.

[BULLBLASTER]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

I knew someone would be along to correct me!
I remember seeing something so had a vague memory of some details and just made up the rest. 

[jackelope]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

I knew someone would be along to correct me!
I remember seeing something so had a vague memory of some details and just made up the rest. 

Clearly that was me.

[jackelope]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?

[Knocker of rocks]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?

Only the chances of getting caught

[Buckmark]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?

No
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.

A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing 

[Boss .300 winmag]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?

No
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.

A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing 

Anyone ever hear of someone being caught?

[Knocker of rocks]

Just at the testing center

[Buckmark]

I have never heard of anyone being caught and or fined, i am sure the EPA is not out opening hoods looking for scowflaws with egr deletes etc.

The state emissions test stations only pass/fail , waiver or no waiver if components are removed or altered and even at that they miss at times or cant tell if it has been altered if not noticeable.

[jackelope]

Did you just drop a "scofflaw?"

Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?

I assume you guys are certified?

[Buckmark]

Did you just drop a "scofflaw?"

Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?

I assume you guys are certified?

Yes i did, trying to work on my $50.00 words so i can jump into the off topics discussions 
Not sure as we don't do diesels
I have 3 techs certified, which is a racket in itself, have to recert  every 2 yrs at the tune of 250-300 per tech

[KFhunter]

There is no State wide Emissions testing

Your 2011 does not require emissions testing and most likely never will, the emission test program is set to expire Dec 31st 2019

@Buckmark
So does this change the legalities of deleting the EGR system on these trucks?

No
Removing, Tampering or Altering any Emissions control device has always been and still will be Illegal under the Clean Air act, that is Federal law that applies to all states.
It has never been legal to remove, tamper or alter no matter if you had to have emissions testing or not.

A fresh air intake system is tampering/removing 

for on road use being the qualifier here, that's why you can still get tuners.

[jackelope]

Ya but nobody’s taking a $40k truck and deleting it for off road only use.

[jstone]

Pierce county i have to emission my 2003 f350 Deisel

[Boss .300 winmag]

Did you just drop a "scofflaw?"

Is a diesel emissions test just a scan or do they still do opacity test?

I assume you guys are certified?

Yes i did, trying to work on my $50.00 words so i can jump into the off topics discussions 
Not sure as we don't do diesels
I have 3 techs certified, which is a racket in itself, have to recert  every 2 yrs at the tune of 250-300 per tech

Do you do the blow and go? Now that’s a racket, I have friend that does those.

[Special T]

Just at the testing center

Or at the scale house

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[Mudman]

All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!!  Bah humbug.  Move-problem solved.  Don't cows pollute massive amounts too?  We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!

[CAMPMEAT]

A scale house is only for commercial use only.

[KFhunter]

All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!!  Bah humbug.  Move-problem solved.  Don't cows pollute massive amounts too?  We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!

actually, they have them for cows, it's called a cow fart backpack




not that the sheep want to be outdone, they got em too!




Now you've seen everything

[Mudman]

 

[colersu22]

http://www.emissiontestwa.com/e/faq.aspx#2

All diesels 2007 and newer will never need emissions according to the state site.  I don't have emissions where I live but when I did the delete on my 03 f350 I used the plates on the EGR pipe and just left the EGR valve as is.  I used my SCT tuner to turn off the engine light and EGR valve and had no problems. 

Others advise about working on your truck would be my issue if you don't do your own work.  That was not the case for me since I did everything on my 6.0 so no worries about shops not touching it.

[jackelope]

All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!!  Bah humbug.  Move-problem solved.  Don't cows pollute massive amounts too?  We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!

Not too many DPF or EGR issues with the hot rod gassers!

[Special T]

A scale house is only for commercial use only.

If you are driving cross the border with a horse trailer....

Trust me I'm no fan of this garbage but you had better think this stuff through...

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[coachcw]

fedreral law . its tampering , they mainly look for repair shops that tamper , not general public 

[Viking360]

Just did the delete on my 2012 f350 a couple months ago, if you have any questions on doing the work let me know.  I haven't had any issues after doing the delete.

[magnanimous_j]

All this talk on big bad diesels but don't forget the modified gassers, hot rods, farm trucks, atvs, motorbikes, lawn mowers, boats and weed eater/chainsaws!!!  Bah humbug.  Move-problem solved.  Don't cows pollute massive amounts too?  We need a O2egrDpfcat on their azz too!

You've got a point. A 2stroke leaf blower can produce up to 300 times the polluting emissions of a freaking Ford Raptor.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-car-vs-truck-vs-leaf-blower.html

Of course, the Raptor burns as clean as it does because of its emission control features. So maybe lets leave those where they are.