Wolf poacher fined in Pend Oreille County

[Bullkllr]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I’ll respond after the whiskey, tomorrow.  But there is a difference.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but if poaching is poaching, and it's completely that black and white, does that only apply to poaching laws- or does it apply to all laws?
Seems like with some of the wrist-slap sentences handed down for poaching, the state judicial system does not elevate poaching above other laws 

[trophyhunt]

The WDFW is not going to helpbus (the public) with the wolf problem. They could just not get involved in wolf shootings and leave it up to the feds to do their own dirty work. But instead they take the stance, against us, the people they "represent". Because of this, it is up to us to deal with the wolf problem and we should all do our part and kill every wolf we see.  Unless of course you can't see that the government you support is a criminal group

there is a lot of truth in your statement, and I tend to agree.

[trophyhunt]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state.   But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state?  What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator.  Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law.  I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason. 

[NumaJohn]

trophyhunt,

I think that the State of Washington would have to make wolf hunting legal before your comparison with the marijuana situation would be persuasive.

John

[bobcat]

I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.

[trophyhunt]

trophyhunt,

I think that the State of Washington would have to make wolf hunting legal before your comparison with the marijuana situation would be persuasive.

John

very true, I was just searching for an example. 

[trophyhunt]

I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.

this makes better sense, completely agree.

[Miles]

I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.

Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds?   Lol.  I can agree with some of what you said.  I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting.  Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.

  However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf.  When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong.  Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day. 

[Jake Dogfish]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state.   But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state?  What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator.  Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law.  I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.

Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then?  Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.

[jackelope]

I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.

Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds?   Lol.  I can agree with some of what you said.  I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting.  Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.

  However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf.  When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong.  Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.

So you’re saying you’re fine with laws being broken as long as someone else is doing the law breaking?

[bobcat]

I care about someone killing a wolf about the same as I'd care about someone killing a child molester. Yes, both are illegal, but who cares? I admit I'm selfish, I want less wolves and more deer and elk for me. This guy who killed the wolves, IMO the only thing he did wrong is getting caught. If wolves truly were an endangered species I'd feel different. But they're certainly not endangered, look how many they have in Canada just north of our border, not to mention Idaho.

Did you get off your huntwa moderator meds?   Lol.  I can agree with some of what you said.  I’m about as law abiding as they come when hunting.  Sometimes I worry too much about things and I’ve missed opportunities at big game cause I just wasn’t sure if something was legal in the state I was hunting in.

  However, I would 100% never turn in someone who shot a wolf.  When the government isn’t listening to the people, eventually the people decide what is right, and what is wrong.  Shoot a wolf in front of me, I’ll smile, give a nod, and continue on with my day.

Just being honest. Sorry, but I'm not going to fake it and act like someone illegally killing a wolf upsets me. It just doesn't. I'm also not going to try to encourage people to go out and kill as many as they can. As others have said, it's really not going to help in the long run. But if someone kills a wolf I'm sure not going to cry over it.

[Special T]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state.   But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state?  What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator.  Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law.  I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.

Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then?  Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.

You will find that anytime government forces a segment of the population into a corner they will revolt.  Civil disobediance is breaking the law, and if government cares why folks are thumbing thier nose at the state they would do themselves a favor to understand why. Government only has the power to enforce because the populace  complies. Rules that are not just, make sense, or dont show the citizenry that they have a vested intrest, will have a low level of compliance.

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[trophyhunt]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state.   But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state?  What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator.  Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law.  I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.

Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then?  Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.

im ok with sea lions getting shot as well, they are over populated and the salmon are waaaay more of an asset.  Like others have said, it wouldn’t bother me a bit if I saw someone whack a wolf or sea lion, no problem.  And the argument about hunters being put in a negative light, well, anti’s will always put us in a negative light no matter what we do.  If you want to impress anti’s, just pick up a camera and put down the gun. As far as voters go, they just aren’t educated enough, bear baiting is a good example of uneducated voters.  I certainly don’t have the answer to our problems, but a few less wolves is a good start. By the time Wdfw sets a season on wolves you know it will be too late.

[snake]

Curious to know if you guys who are supporting this guy would be ok illegally killing wolves yourself in Washington or if you're just all talk?
Honest answers now!!

Now of course no one would be honest because fish and game certainly watch our site, but I will say this much. I applaud the guys that do kill wolves, I don't see them as poachers.  I hate poachers as much as anyone, this state doesn't do enough to the guys that poach deer/elk, the penalties are a joke. I feel wdfw has anti hunters in there mix of employees, guys/gals that would love to end otc hunting.  We all know the anti's love wolves and we know why.  I just feel its a fight we will eventually lose and hunting in this state will come down to draw only for the next generation, wolves are the enemy besides other factors that we can't change.

Let’s make a list than of what poaching is ok.
Deer/Elk Salmon? We like those. No poaching
Wolves?
Sea lions/Seals?
Bears?
Cormorants?
Cougars?
Bobcats?
Lynx?
Birds of prey?
Just where do you draw the line?
Poaching is Poaching.

I definitely think there should be different levels of punishment that goes with certain poaching, the state government ignores the law against pot because they benefit from the legalization of it in our state.   But it's still against federal law, so is breaking the law against the feds ok when it benefits the state?  What's the difference between that and a guy killing a wolf to protect an animal the is much more of a benefit to the state? And the truth is more sportsman care about elk, deer, and salmon than any wolf, sea lion , or other predator.  Now if some a hole kills deer, elk, bear, cougar and what ever for the fun of it and it benefits nothing, they should receive full penalty of the law.  I hate poaching like I've always said, and I know its considered poaching to kill a wolf, but I will never put the people who shoot wolves illegally at the same level as some d bag that thrill kills deer, elk ect. for no reason.

Thank you for the response.
So your saying just wolves then?  Why not sea lions?
People will make up there own justification for obeying the laws.
Fishermen will keep illegal fish, because if not “the tribes will get them anyway”.
Heck many of they uppity fly fishermen threatened to poach anyway if they don’t get the catch and release season they want.
To me it’s just way simpler to follow the laws.
If you don’t like the laws, do something about that.
Do you think poaching some wolves makes a difference?
All it does is put hunters in a negative light with the voters of this state.
The same voters we need to convince to allow hunting on pinnipeds and cormorants.

im ok with sea lions getting shot as well, they are over populated and the salmon are waaaay more of an asset.  Like others have said, it wouldn’t bother me a bit if I saw someone whack a wolf or sea lion, no problem.  And the argument about hunters being put in a negative light, well, anti’s will always put us in a negative light no matter what we do.  If you want to impress anti’s, just pick up a camera and put down the gun. As far as voters go, they just aren’t educated enough, bear baiting is a good example of uneducated voters.  I certainly don’t have the answer to our problems, but a few less wolves is a good start. By the time Wdfw sets a season on wolves you know it will be too late.

I would bet my life savings that Washington will never allow a sport season for wolves. No matter how high the population gets. Too many bleeding hearts.

[HighlandLofts]

I  think the fine was way overboard. If OK could of got off on killing his wife and her boyfriend money could of got him off as well.
What a dumb ass for keeping any part of them wolves. No evidense, and shut the F-UP, EQUALS NO CONVICTION.
Both sides of this have their own opinion on this and it will take it's coarse. I'm s believer of Shoot,Shovel & Shut up
What happens in the mountains, Stays in the mountains.
That's why I go shooting by myself, there is only one story, or no story. No story works better, sir I have no idea what you are talking about. If I'm not under arrest, I'm going to go home now, contact my lawyer for any information.