Archery Gear During Muzzy Season

[huntnphool]

Currently it is NOT legal to use archery gear during muzzy season and for the life of me I can't figure out why. If you can use archery gear or a muzzy during rifle, what could possibly be the reason for refusing to allow archery gear during muzzy season? Oh, and for all you guys like me that has thought forever that it was legal you can check the muzzy description in the regs on page 67. Also under the muzzy season pages, it clearly states the gear legal to use on the right side of the page;

Hunting Method:
Muzzleloader only.
Muzzleloader tag holders can
only hunt during muzzleloader
seasons and must hunt with
muzzleloader equipment.
Muzzleloading equipment must
meet regulations on page 67.

[robodad]

I don't know why it isn't legal, there are units open to general archery and ML permits at the same time so it must not be an equipment safety issue 

[bowhunterforever]

I vote yes, theres no advatage useing a bow during muzzy season!

[huntnphool]

Can anyone give me a logical reason why it would not be allowed? I'm not looking for an arguement, I honestly can not think of a legit reason for the rule, I'm all ears.

[M_ray]

I just voted yes and it's 7-1 ... What I want to know is who is the one tard that thinks you shoudn't and why??? 

[mossback91]

I just voted yes and it's 7-1 ... What I want to know is who is the one tard that thinks you shoudn't and why??? 

harsh......

[robodad]

Can anyone give me a logical reason why it would not be allowed? I'm not looking for an arguement, I honestly can not think of a legit reason for the rule, I'm all ears.

There would be tons of archery folks buying ML tags and using archery tackle just because of the timing of the season is the only thing I can come up with !!

[WAcoueshunter]

I've never muzzy hunted, so never really thought about it.  But now that I have the elk multi permit, sure would be nice to be able to keep hunting with my bow during muzzy season.  

Can't imagine why, but no question on the rules...it's crystal clear when you compare the Hunting Method for Modern Firearms on pages 19 and 38 and the Hunting Method for Muzzy on 21 and 40.

[boneaddict]

Good point Robodad.  I do like their elk season timing better.

[shoot-em-dead]

I voted no. Why does everybody want to do everything all the time. I hunt for fun and food but if your going to put the two together you might as well add modern and just make it one season for all and we can kill every thing out there and change it to killing season instead of hunting season. Just kidding. The GMU's throughout the state that are open to muzzle already make it tough useing Muzzleloader equipment and I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.

[huntnphool]

I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.

Shoot-em-dead, which weapon is arguably more proficient at killing game all things being equal, archery gear or a muzzy? Quite honestly with a multi season tag I get to hunt every season anyway, so as long as I'm hunting during the muzzy season which weapon will give me the best chance at tagging something that time of year, I would think a muzzy being able to shoot out to 100+ yards would give me a much better chance than a bow I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care If their sole objective and reasoning behind the rule is to keep archery guys from choosing dates rather than weapons, they have defeated the purpose with these multi season tags

[M_ray]

Hey Shoot-em We are not saying we want to do everything all the time or for a longer period of time, or even to put the two together and just have a killing. Some may only have a limited schedule or Seasonal work that allows them time off in October but not Sept and they prefer Archery tackle, If you hunted during the muzzy season with archery gear you would have to have a muzzy tag and you would not have participated in the earlier Archery season. Currently it is Leagal for instance to buy a modern firearm tag and use archery tackle during that season's time frame So why not Muzzy Season???

There would be tons of archery folks buying ML tags and using archery tackle just because of the timing of the season is the only thing I can come up with !!

I don't think so ... the season last year was Oct. 4-10 , and only 6 days??? not an attractive time for deer and allthough better for Elk why not have a hunk of lead?

Now you guy's can see why muzzy's were asking for more time to hunt ...6 days a year for deer and elk at the same time  ridiculous

[shoot-em-dead]

I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.

Shoot-em-dead, which weapon is arguably more proficient at killing game all things being equal, archery gear or a muzzy? Quite honestly with a multi season tag I get to hunt every season anyway, so as long as I'm hunting during the muzzy season which weapon will give me the best chance at tagging something that time of year, I would think a muzzy being able to shoot out to 100+ yards would give me a much better chance than a bow I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care If their sole objective and reasoning behind the rule is to keep archery guys from choosing dates rather than weapons, they have defeated the purpose with these multi season tags

No disrespect but the special permits and draws are just that- special so don't start complaining cause you got one. The muzzle season is 6 days. You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?

[huntnphool]

No disrespect but the special permits and draws are just that- special so don't start complaining cause you got one. The muzzle season is 6 days. You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?

LOL, I'm not complaining, I have no problem being forced to use a gun over archery gear, I just dont understand their logic.

[M_ray]

I just voted yes and it's 7-1 ... What I want to know is who is the one tard that thinks you shoudn't and why??? 

harsh......

Maybe? but now there are three?

[M_ray]

You really complaining over six days and piss poor GMU's?

Where did he say that? You are not getting it

Moss I've found one obviously 

[shoot-em-dead]

I see your point m-ray but why would someone want to put themself a such a disadvantage? And if you read huntnphools post he said that they have defeated the purpose of the multi season tags. That sounds to me like he wants to have the tags open for all seasons with whatever weapon he wants to use. I guess if you don't have a muzz and that is the only time you have to hunt that makes sense but if anyone is in that situation they could borrow a muzz from someone.

[M_ray]

LOL, I'm not complaining, I have no problem being forced to use a gun over archery gear, I just dont understand their logic.

I have no problem with them forcing me to use a weapon that is more proficient, I just dont understand why they would care

shoot-em-dead once again he never says he wants to have all seasons open for what ever weapon ... He is asking plain and simple "why would it be leagal to hunt with Archery gear during Modern Rifle but not Muzzleloader?" Usally it would make sense to have a less proficient method leagal for use but by no means is he supporting the use of a rifle during archery for instance as your statement might suggest

That sounds to me like he wants to have the tags open for all seasons with whatever weapon he wants to use.

AND

but why would someone want to put themself a such a disadvantage?

Some prefer only Archery just as some would go to fish for Steelhead with just a fly rod vs. a bait rod.

[7mag.]

First of all, I voted yes. Second, I think I know the reasoning. There are quite a few GMU's that have muzzy elk and arhery deer overlapping, and vice versa. So,when you leave the truck, you have to choose which animal you are hunting. If you look closely at the regs, there are very few units that have archery deer and elk at the same time. I don't know why our state has a problem with it, other states don't, but I think that is the reason.

[huntnphool]

Okay so if you have a multi season tag for them can you carry both weapons at the same time?

[M_ray]

oh no Phool I think you are opening a can of worms! 

[huntnphool]

Hey 7Mag. that was not a shot, its a serious question.

[WDFW-SUX]

Its a definite NO NO.

Just another stupid law.

[huntnphool]

Its a definite NO NO.

Just another stupid law.

Why is that If you have a legit tag for both? How could they enforce that, it does not say anywhere in the regs that you cant as far as I can see.

[WDFW-SUX]

I going under the assumption that you are hunting a unit that is only open to Muzz at the time......This regulation drives me totally nuts....there are some Muzz hunts I'd rather hunt because of the dates but don't because I want to use my bow.

If there is overlap like some of the late seasons its pick your weapon.

Sorry if this has already been hashed out. I haven't read this thread all that close.


There is no good reason other than the smoke pole guys dont want competition.

[huntnphool]

No worries SUX, 7Mag said there were overlapping seasons and units, I was referring to those. If you have the tags I don't understand why you have to pick one weapon or the other when you get out of the car. I would assume that if you were driving to your parking spot and saw either your deer or elk, you could grab that weapon off your back seat and bail off over the hill after it.

[robodad]

Okay so if you have a multi season tag for them can you carry both weapons at the same time?

I believe that if the general season is open for both ML and archery (Overlap) then yes a person holding a multiseason permit is allowed to hunt with the weapon they choose (ML or Bow) and if you feel the need to carry both weapons with you in the field then you should be allowed, as long as the equipment meets the restrictions for the season in effect then it shouldn't be a problem. A bit cumbersome but legal !!

[WDFW-SUX]

I dont think you have to choose one or the other in that scenario as long as you have the multi season tag.......

There is even one muzz only hunt Im aware of that the WDFW muzz laws dont apply.... shot shell and scopes are a go for the JBH elk tag because its a federal hunt....weird I know

[huntnphool]

Interesting, thanks guys

[robodad]

There is no good reason other than the smoke pole guys dont want competition.

"Smoke Pole Guys" don't make the rules WDFW does so don't blame ML hunter for the rules being what they are !!

[WDFW-SUX]

why not its more fun that way


 

[robodad]

why not its more fun that way


 

Just pecks away at the relationship between fellow usergroups thats all !! 

[EastWaViking]

You can legally use a bow during any of the seasons, you just have to have either a black powder or modern tag to do so.

[huntnphool]

You can legally use a bow during any of the seasons, you just have to have either a black powder or modern tag to do so.

Thats what I thought EastWa, but sadly this is not the case. Check out the top of the thread.

[Lowedog]

Not trying to speak for 7Mag but the way I read his post is that you could have a mz elk season and archery deer season in the same unit at t he same time.  That is where I could see the reasoning behind it.

BTW, I voted no just to add to the no votes.    I could care less.  If I want to hunt mz season because of timing then I'll buy a mz tag and hunt with my front stuffer.  Same applies to archery.

-Lowedog

[7mag.]

I went through this with a game warden last year, because I had a multi elk tag, and I wanted to hunt both deer and elk at the same time. It turns out, in this state, that is nearly impossible, even with a multi-season tag. The only way I found to make it work is in the Alpine unit. With an archery elk tag and a modern deer tag, there are a few days during the high hunt that overlaps, so you could legally hunt both species with a bow.

BTW, Phool, no offense taken, I knew what you meant.

[EastWaViking]

You can legally use a bow during any of the seasons, you just have to have either a black powder or modern tag to do so.

Thats what I thought EastWa, but sadly this is not the case. Check out the top of the thread.

WOW that's very odd!   

[Tom Tamer]

I voted no. Why does everybody want to do everything all the time. I hunt for fun and food but if your going to put the two together you might as well add modern and just make it one season for all and we can kill every thing out there and change it to killing season instead of hunting season. Just kidding. The GMU's throughout the state that are open to muzzle already make it tough using Muzzleloader equipment and I really don't see any point in taking archery equipment along. Why not just hunt the archery season that is open longer and open to more GMU's. Doesn't make much sense to me why anyone would want to shorten their odds so much.

I respectfully have to disagree with the point of might as well add modern to it, because it is an issue of choice, I and many others have tried for years to get the WDFW to get rid of weapons choice period...in the end they came up with the Multi-tag. It's for those who just want to hunt....to be out there and not be confined to one weapon one season. As far as why would anyone want to use a bow during M/L season because M/L is hard enough. well as a guy who uses rifle why would anyone want to use anything other than a rifle. The answer is personal choice and difficulty is part of hunting and makes the kill that much more fullfilling for some. I think if you have a tag for a specific weapon season then as long as the weapon you choose does not exceed the capabilities of the stated season then it SHOULD be legal.

 They actually fixed that with the concerns of using Muzzys during a modern season, no longer do you have to adhere to the Muzzy regulations if that gun is being used during a Modern firearm season as long as you have that tag. So now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.

 It's a matter of choice and like I also seen stated some may  draw that multi tag yet not own a Muzzy so what would be the harm of taking the bow?

[huntnphool]

The answer is personal choice and difficulty is part of hunting and makes the kill that much more fullfilling for some

 It would have been very easy to grab my rifle from M-Ray when I went after my moose, but I really wanted the challenge of getting him with my bow.

[robodad]

So now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.

Remember these are still just proposals and not laws yet !! 

[Tom Tamer]

So now you can use the sealed inlines and 209 primers during that season.

Remember these are still just proposals and not laws yet !! 

True...... Has anyone heard of the results of the comission meeting last weekend yet?