Long range for beginners

[Magnum_Willys]

Based on your specs Id consider used full size NF moa. 

[yorketransport]

I'm not impressed by the SHV. I've used 3 of them and they were all disappointing in the optical clarity department. The edge distortion was really bad, chromatic aberration (color fringing) was enough to be annoying, the adjustments were soft and the reticle was very thick.

I'd almost take a Vortex PST II over the SHV, but I'm not sure I'd go quite that far. If weight isn't a big concern then you may be better off tracking down a used NXS. If money isn't a big concern, try and find a used ATACR. Deals are out there if you look for them. I paid $1200 for my NXS and $1700 for my ATACR.

I don't have much first hand experience with the newer Burris scopes but I do know a few guys who're really happy with them.

[Oh Mah]

curious what happened with the PST.jasnt Can you give us the details?

[Karl Blanchard]

I'm not impressed by the SHV. I've used 3 of them and they were all disappointing in the optical clarity department. The edge distortion was really bad, chromatic aberration (color fringing) was enough to be annoying, the adjustments were soft and the reticle was very thick.

I'd almost take a Vortex PST II over the SHV, but I'm not sure I'd go quite that far. If weight isn't a big concern then you may be better off tracking down a used NXS. If money isn't a big concern, try and find a used ATACR. Deals are out there if you look for them. I paid $1200 for my NXS and $1700 for my ATACR.

I don't have much first hand experience with the newer Burris scopes but I do know a few guys who're really happy with them.

just got done doing setup and load development on my baby brothers new 300WM.  He topped it with the 25x Burris Verasity.  It was a very nice optic for the price.  Clicks were audible and crisp.  Option to run small capable turrets or larger tactical turrets.  Reticle was clean and simple.  Not a FFP lover but I didn't hate it.

[jasnt]

curious what happened with the PST.jasnt Can you give us the details?

nothing. It goes on my 243.  Need a new scope for the 338/375.  Had a viper hs on that action but that scope is no good for long range.

[Oh Mah]

gotcha.reason i asked is i just ordered (last week) a viper PST gen (2) 5-25x50.This for the .300 wm l/r from a member on here.It should be good for long range right?

[jasnt]

gotcha.reason i asked is i just ordered (last week) a viper PST gen (2) 5-25x50.This for the .300 wm l/r from a member on here.It should be good for long range right?

yes sir. I love my pst! Reason I need a new one is I sold my extra pst to a friend that’s just getting in to long range. Now I regret it but it’s nice to see him learning to shoot. I may go pst again if I don’t find what I like.  Vortex dosent have the best reputation but I’ve only used the warranty on one scope and it was because I fell on my rifle on ice and bent the tube on the old crossfire II.

My new personal goal is 1 mile and the viper glass is not great at that range especially if mirage is heavy.  Half mile is not bad. Plus I’ll need about 15 more moa than I have and I don’t have room in the tube to go 35 moa base

[jasnt]

I did a tall target test today with the 243. Shooting past 800 I notice I hit higher than my ballistic cal gave. I kept playing with inputs trying to figure out what’s up. Not getting the results I wanted I decided to test my scopes click value with a tall target test at exactly 100 yards( verified by tape measure and sig 2000) started the test with my magneto speed on checking my level

Then took the v3 off and shot a 5 shot group which was low and left. I left it alone and dialed 20 min and shot 2,dialed down to zero shot one, then back to 20,then back to zero, back to 20 till I had 7 shots at 20 min and 9 at zero. Dialing 20 should have put me 20.94” high. Group was 22.25” high.  Doing the math I figured out my scopes click value is .278 mos or 1.112” per min. 
Now my actual dope lines up with ballistic app out to 1250 which is as far as I’ve confirmed hits

[Magnum_Willys]

Nice.       Been wanting to do a box test on mine to check it also - planning on up 25, over 6, down 25, back over 6 and loop three times shooting at the corners and see if my corners still line up and what it measures as these are typical clicks at 1000.   

[jasnt]

Nice.       Been wanting to do a box test on mine to check it also - planning on up 25, over 6, down 25, back over 6 and loop three times shooting at the corners and see if my corners still line up and what it measures as these are typical clicks at 1000.   

i have done the box test just never measured the spread. This scope tracks very true but as I learned it is not true 1/4 moa

[Magnum_Willys]

How are you adjusting for the difference ?  Apply correction factor in App so it prints out "corrected moa" ?  ie when it says 25 moa it means 25 moa on your turret ?   

[jasnt]

For those interested in the math
Range x min dialed x constant which is .01047 = how high you should hit using moa and yards
Then Divide that by actual hit highs which gives you the percent difference
ie .9411 was my answer so 6%

[jasnt]

How are you adjusting for the difference ?  Apply correction factor in App so it prints out "corrected moa" ?  ie when it says 25 moa it means 25 moa on your turret ?   

yes my app uses a click value. I punch in .278 moa and it gives me dope for my scope not one that has true .25 moa. 

[CaNINE]

What are you folks thoughts on the night force shv. I need a new long range scope and looking seriously at night force

I have two SHV's.  The 4-14 with MOA 1000 reticle that I picked up from Bob Beck at a great show price.  I purchased the scope to replace a Vortex Viper PST that had click value issues and has been retired for load development use only.  Last winter I added a SHV 5-20 MOAR reticle with the exposed elevation turret to sit on top of my 300WSM.  I'll be buying another just like it for my 6.5CM target rifle.  I have two NXS scopes and the optical quality between the SHV and NXS is very close.  I like the illuminated reticle adjustment on the SHV over the NXS.  I do not own, but have looked through the ATACR - this takes things to a whole other level entirely but I haven't convinced myself to part with that much money for an optic.  Maybe I need to do more shooting so I can justify it.   

If you have specific questions send me a PM. 

[jasnt]

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