COMMISSIONERS WANT TO KNOW IF WASHINGTON WOLF PLAN CAN BE TWEAKED

[Skyvalhunter]

 A post-delisting plan has to have population maximums and control mechanisms to make sure that ungulate populations are protected and hunting opportunities are not diminished.    

will not occur

[Katmai Guy]

Would it help to put them in ONP to control the goats?

[pianoman9701]

I'm surprised to hear that Jay Kehne wants to take a look at tweaking the plan. It sounds from the quotes that he's finally coming around to seeing the damage these eaters are doing to the ranchers and their families and communities in the NE. Although I'm unsure the changes would solve more problems than they'd create, it's at least an indication that some of the commissioners may be starting to assess this realistically.

[fishwhackin]

In a perfect world where we all compromise I vision changes to the management plan to include hunting/trapping wolves beginning this fall.  This would get ahead of the overpopulation that has and will continue to ensue due to conservative (on the low side) numbers being used by the WDFW and likes to ensure a large population of wolves.  This overpopulation is obviously Eastern Washington and impacting the Northeast especially.  Hunting these wolves would not only prove that the best tool for management is hunting but also help push them into more "natural" areas away from livestock and also help maintain a stable ungulate population.  Pushing these wolves to a more natural area would also cause them to seek "safer" areas which would include Western Washington until the population is established there which should not take too long given the slow elk with the hoof rot and various pet buffet.  How do we get there?  Breeding pairs are important to the recovery population.  Can we negotiate breeding pair safety in return for hunting?  Collar the breeding pairs in a highly visible (to a human/hunter) collar and make them off limits but any wolf without a collar is fair game to the hunter/trapper until a quota is met for the year?  I even support the tag sale money going to wolf recovery if that is what it takes to get the green light to hunt/manage them ahead of schedule. I know this is all a dream but seems to be common sense in my mind at least.

[Hunter4Life]

I'm surprised to hear that Jay Kehne wants to take a look at tweaking the plan. It sounds from the quotes that he's finally coming around to seeing the damage these eaters are doing to the ranchers and their families and communities in the NE. Although I'm unsure the changes would solve more problems than they'd create, it's at least an indication that some of the commissioners may be starting to assess this realistically.

Some of the Commissioners are seeing that are problems with the wolf plan and wolves are a problem.  Very accurate post.  I think Jay Kehne is starting to see the light, or has saw the light.  Jay Holzmiller is an excellent Commissioner as is Bob Kehoe.  Some will want to and rave about Kehoe on fishing issues, but I am speaking on hunting issues only.  Don McIsaac is a very intelligent man. 

This is such a tough issue.  The NE part of Washington is being devastated by wolves.  They need relief.  We will never get this issue resolved in this state until wolves are federally delisted.

[Special T]

I'm surprised to hear that Jay Kehne wants to take a look at tweaking the plan. It sounds from the quotes that he's finally coming around to seeing the damage these eaters are doing to the ranchers and their families and communities in the NE. Although I'm unsure the changes would solve more problems than they'd create, it's at least an indication that some of the commissioners may be starting to assess this realistically.

Some of the Commissioners are seeing that are problems with the wolf plan and wolves are a problem.  Very accurate post.  I think Jay Kehne is starting to see the light, or has saw the light.  Jay Holzmiller is an excellent Commissioner as is Bob Kehoe.  Some will want to and rave about Kehoe on fishing issues, but I am speaking on hunting issues only.  Don McIsaac is a very intelligent man. 

This is such a tough issue.  The NE part of Washington is being devastated by wolves.  They need relief.  We will never get this issue resolved in this state until wolves are federally delisted.

There in lies the rub... they ARE federally delisted in the rocky mountain region which includes  E WA. The fact that the plan refused to acknowledge this potential is why there is such little trust.

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[jackelope]

Sounds like Kehne may have ruffled some feathers in CNW.

[jackelope]

Would it help to put them in ONP to control the goats?

They can't catch goats.

[bearpaw]

I'm surprised to hear that Jay Kehne wants to take a look at tweaking the plan. It sounds from the quotes that he's finally coming around to seeing the damage these eaters are doing to the ranchers and their families and communities in the NE. Although I'm unsure the changes would solve more problems than they'd create, it's at least an indication that some of the commissioners may be starting to assess this realistically.

Some of the Commissioners are seeing that are problems with the wolf plan and wolves are a problem.  Very accurate post.  I think Jay Kehne is starting to see the light, or has saw the light.  Jay Holzmiller is an excellent Commissioner as is Bob Kehoe.  Some will want to and rave about Kehoe on fishing issues, but I am speaking on hunting issues only.  Don McIsaac is a very intelligent man. 

This is such a tough issue.  The NE part of Washington is being devastated by wolves.  They need relief.  We will never get this issue resolved in this state until wolves are federally delisted.

There in lies the rub... they ARE federally delisted in the rocky mountain region which includes  E WA. The fact that the plan refused to acknowledge this potential is why there is such little trust.

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Yes, 1/3 of WA is delisted, there could be wolf management in NE WA if WDFW would modify their own ridiculous wolf plan.

Our moose are being absolutely devastated by wolves. My friends who used to shed hunt for moose antlers have completely quit hunting moose sheds. Areas that have been impacted hard by wolves only have about 30% of the moose that used to exist, some of my shed hunting friends think there are less moose than that.

[Ridgeratt]

Yes, 1/3 of WA is delisted, there could be wolf management in NE WA if WDFW would modify their own ridiculous wolf plan.

Our moose are being absolutely devastated by wolves. My friends who used to shed hunt for moose antlers have completely quit hunting moose sheds. Areas that have been impacted hard by wolves only have about 30% of the moose that used to exist, some of my shed hunting friends think there are less moose than that.

That makes a hard sell to the folks who would be applying for the coveted OIL moose tags.

[bearpaw]

I'm surprised to hear that Jay Kehne wants to take a look at tweaking the plan. It sounds from the quotes that he's finally coming around to seeing the damage these eaters are doing to the ranchers and their families and communities in the NE. Although I'm unsure the changes would solve more problems than they'd create, it's at least an indication that some of the commissioners may be starting to assess this realistically.

Some of the Commissioners are seeing that are problems with the wolf plan and wolves are a problem.  Very accurate post.  I think Jay Kehne is starting to see the light, or has saw the light.  Jay Holzmiller is an excellent Commissioner as is Bob Kehoe.  Some will want to and rave about Kehoe on fishing issues, but I am speaking on hunting issues only.  Don McIsaac is a very intelligent man. 

This is such a tough issue.  The NE part of Washington is being devastated by wolves.  They need relief.  We will never get this issue resolved in this state until wolves are federally delisted.

There in lies the rub... they ARE federally delisted in the rocky mountain region which includes  E WA. The fact that the plan refused to acknowledge this potential is why there is such little trust.

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Yes, 1/3 of WA is delisted, there could be wolf management in NE WA if WDFW would modify their own ridiculous wolf plan.

Our moose are being absolutely devastated by wolves. My friends who used to shed hunt for moose antlers have completely quit hunting moose sheds. Areas that have been impacted hard by wolves only have about 30% of the moose that used to exist, some of my shed hunting friends think there are less moose than that.

That makes a hard sell to the folks who would be applying for the coveted OIL moose tags.

  It really sucks, many people have invested more than 20 years of applications into hopefully moose hunting in WA, now when they finally draw in several units they will find out that the good old days of moose hunting and seeing 10 to 20 moose a day in NE WA have passed, very sad deal! I just heard from another tag holder this last fall who hunted most of the season and only saw three moose, no calves. We also saw very few calves when we hunted moose in WA last fall.

[Ridgeratt]

Gives some explanation to the proposed reduction of antlerless tags and the "almost" elimination of the youth hunts.

[Hunter4Life]

Sounds like Kehne may have ruffled some feathers in CNW.

You said it Jackelope!  I truly believed he has.

[Humptulips]

Forgive me if I don't see an upside. I read the Commissioners as buying into relocating wolves to the west side.
So that route we toss what little hunting we have in the Western 2/3rds down the rathole so we can maybe get delisting in what? 5 years if we are lucky? Then we fight for some kind of a harvest plan in the Eastern 1/3rd with tools it is proven won't reduce the wolf population.
Still seems like a race to the bottom.

[Skyvalhunter]

How far do you want to get in that rathole?