50 BMG FOR DEER!

[hunter399]

50 BMG For deer,any comments,didn't look bad to me.

[boneaddict]

Comes down to an opinion.  Opinions stated publicly is what divides us as a group.

[Tbar]

Comes down to an opinion.  Opinions stated publicly is what divides us as a group.

Kinda like when somebody starts a "more blood and guts" thread on an online forum.  Comes down to publicly stated opinion, a true tool of division. 

[magnanimous_j]

No one could argue the shot was inhumane. That deer was dead before the exit wound. If there was no unnecessarily wasted meat, as the guy claims, I really don't see a problem with any of this.

[KFhunter]

This doesn't bother me in TX where it's a whole lot different hunting and management practices than we have in WA, there the deer are closer to a commodity like Angus.


If someone were packing a 50 BMG in a typical WA pumpkin patch, I'd be heading to a new area, a long ways away. Knowing your target (and whats behind it) takes on more meaning with a 50BMG.
 

and my little ethics rant:
It's also glorifying the idea of gore and red mist which I don't support for a food species of big game, save that for non-food species and vermin. 
I have to think that someone packing a 50 BMG maybe has some desire to see huge holes in flesh, which to me is just as bad as killing a deer and peeling off the back straps and leaving the rest to rot..wastage, but then any super magnum is capable of making big holes in flesh, depending on bullet choices could make even bigger holes than a typical 50BMG load,  so it comes to ethics.

A person can be ethical (or not) with any gun large or small, this video is an example of how a person can be ethical with a 50 BMG while managing does on a TX whitetail property.


 

[JimmyHoffa]

Neck shot through soft tissue (probably a sturdy, aerodynamic bullet), of course little damage.  When he hits a shoulder or ham, I think it will be a different story.

[trophyhunt]

Comes down to an opinion.  Opinions stated publicly is what divides us as a group.

Kinda like when somebody starts a "more blood and guts" thread on an online forum.  Comes down to publicly stated opinion, a true tool of division.

[Henrydog]

Too small of a bullet for deer, but with the right shot placement I guess it would be okay.  I would not use a 50 on anything larger than a grouse.   

[TeacherMan]

seen a video once a doe was shot in head with one, looked like a watermelon popping. Zero waste...

[B4noon]

Big difference between hunting and shooting probably not practical for hunting deer but no doubt will do the job if your just talking shooting deer

[Sandberm]

I think there is more to this story... I think he later said there was no bullet hole ANYWHERE on deer, thinks the bullet traveling past head sucked the eyeballs out of the head?
http://americangg.net/hunter-claims-50-bmg-shockwave/

Lot of clickbait in that link eh?

[KFhunter]

skip to 3:00 mark

The guy is full of BS, he won't show you the other side of the does head.  It's not going to vacuum it's eye's out and kill it instantly.

[92xj]

Now that's how you save the meat!
Vacuum kill em!!!

[magnanimous_j]

The guy is full of BS, he won't show you the other side of the does head.  It's not going to vacuum it's eye's out and kill it instantly.

I don't know the math on this, but I would suspect that a shockwave strong enough to suck out a deer's eyeball would be enough to break the poor thing's brain. I also doubt that if the bullet did go into the deer's head, there would be much left of it.

[WSU]

I shot a whitetail doe between the eyes once with my 300 win mag.  There was a lot more damage than the deer he shot (or didn't shoot?).  The eyeballs both popped out and the brain was liquified into white goo that ran out.  It was a mess. 

[KFhunter]

The guy is full of BS, he won't show you the other side of the does head.  It's not going to vacuum it's eye's out and kill it instantly.

I don't know the math on this, but I would suspect that a shockwave strong enough to suck out a deer's eyeball would be enough to break the poor thing's brain. I also doubt that if the bullet did go into the deer's head, there would be much left of it.

There's no shock wave, he could literally shave the hair off the deer's skull and it wouldn't do anything much less suck the eye balls out 

[KFhunter]

I shot a whitetail doe between the eyes once with my 300 win mag.  There was a lot more damage than the deer he shot (or didn't shoot?).  The eyeballs both popped out and the brain was liquified into white goo that ran out.  It was a mess.

You got a solid penetrating hit then,  the guy in the video was off to one side and just tagged the skull knocking off a chunk on the side that he won't show you in the video. 

[WSU]

I shot a whitetail doe between the eyes once with my 300 win mag.  There was a lot more damage than the deer he shot (or didn't shoot?).  The eyeballs both popped out and the brain was liquified into white goo that ran out.  It was a mess.

You got a solid penetrating hit then,  the guy in the video was off to one side and just tagged the skull knocking off a chunk on the side that he won't show you in the video.

Was definitely a solid hit.  She was looking right at me and I hit her directly between the eyes.

[GBoyd]

It grosses me out a little on a purely aesthetic level. But fine, whatever he wants to do. I don't see it as inhumane or an unfair advantage over other hunters. In general, we should avoid legislating aesthetics.

If people are hunting with that powerful a weapon though I hope they'll go the extra mile to avoid meat damage and bullets travelling past the target.

[JimmyHoffa]

Less meat wastage than an animal that is lost due to insufficient caliber/energy/placement.

[hunter399]

I shot a whitetail doe between the eyes once with my 300 win mag.  There was a lot more damage than the deer he shot (or didn't shoot?).  The eyeballs both popped out and the brain was liquified into white goo that ran out.  It was a mess.

You got a solid penetrating hit then,  the guy in the video was off to one side and just tagged the skull knocking off a chunk on the side that he won't show you in the video.

Was definitely a solid hit.  She was looking right at me and I hit her directly between the eyes.

I also have head shot a spike right between the eyes with a 243,when brain goo comes out there ears,and eye balls pop ,you know you got a good hit ,I do have a pic , but between the nasty,and internet police I will never post it here.

[Ghost Hunter]

I also have head shot a spike right between the eyes with a 243,when brain goo comes out there ears,and eye balls pop ,you know you got a good hit ,I do have a pic , but between the nasty,and internet police I will never post it here.

 
I think you just did. 
  

[huntingfool7]

skip to 3:00 mark

The guy is full of BS, he won't show you the other side of the does head.  It's not going to vacuum it's eye's out and kill it instantly.

Left eye entrance, right eye exit.  I think you're right... he's a BS expert.  Probably sells a lot more clicks that way.

[Karl Blanchard]

[wags]

I don't have a problem with using the 50BMG for deer, but I wouldn't call shooting deer from a shooting bench at the range "hunting".

[timberfaller]

   He's not "hunting" and its not "sport" what he is doing, ITS harvesting and culling out his private herd with a BIG gun.   No different then when the meat cutter comes out to the ranch and plugs a 2000 lb cow between the eyes with a 22lr.

I would have been more "impressed" had he set up at least 1000yds for the culling out!

[paultanninen]

The .50 BMG is not a bad cartridge. But, my opinion is, don't use it. I personally want meat. Because of that, people tell me to head shoot animals. I won't. Others tell me to try long range for the fun of it. I won't shoot an animal over 200 yards. Keep the .50 cal on the shooting ranges and in US military arsenals.

[W_Ellison2011]

The .50 BMG is not a bad cartridge. But, my opinion is, don't use it. I personally want meat. Because of that, people tell me to head shoot animals. I won't. Others tell me to try long range for the fun of it. I won't shoot an animal over 200 yards. Keep the .50 cal on the shooting ranges and in US military arsenals.

Why? If I had a .50 BMG and a bunch of deer to cull I would be right at it too. Mind you I would be the guy sitting 500-1,000 yards away from the animals at that point. You do realize with todays hunting cartridges and modern bullets you can carry a ton of energy WAY past 200 yards right? Some people don't have the skills or want to put in the time to shoot beyond 200 yards but some of us do and my custom 300 win mag pushing a 208 hornady eld still has 1700+ ft lbs of energy at 1,000 yards. That's more than enough to kill an elk or bear. I'm not saying everybody and their uncle should go get a .50 BMG and go hunting. I am saying that you should open your mind up more to new ways of doing things though.

[paultanninen]

makes sense, but it is just how I think. I think that getting close up is half the fun of the hunt. i did have a chance at a doe that was 400 yards away, but i refused the shot

[W_Ellison2011]

makes sense, but it is just how I think. I think that getting close up is half the fun of the hunt. i did have a chance at a doe that was 400 yards away, but i refused the shot

Ohh I agree. I hunt archery mainly but for bear I hunt with a rifle. For a lot of years my father and I believed we needed to be 300 yards or closer, which was good because we didn't practice shooting further than that. Now I can comfortably put hits on steel at 600-1,000 yards. Took a lot of time and work but that's how some people are. Would I take a shot at a bear I saw at 1,000 yards. If there was absolutely no chance of getting closer, yes. If I know I can get closer and have a good shot opportunity I will always take that choice first. I will not knock people for taking shots at long ranges or with HUGE calibers if that is what they want to do. Everybody has their own style and methods. We all need to support each other, sportsmen and women, in these times even if we don't always agree with how someone does things. I am one of those guys that doesn't believe in baiting deer and elk and in the past, younger and dumb, I would comment about people who bait. Now... I don't care. If that's what you like. Then do it. What makes me happy might not work for someone else but as long as they are getting outside and enjoying life, that's what matters.

[Mudman]

Crazy, maybe try a Tank next?

[W_Ellison2011]

Crazy, maybe try a Tank next?

I'm down! Use non incendiary rounds and aim for the head!

[birddogdad]

looks like fun to me! would love to cull like this out 1Kyds+ with that thing.... some places have weight limits though... ie 16# rifle/attachments for hunting...

[W_Ellison2011]

looks like fun to me! would love to cull like this out 1Kyds+ with that thing.... some places have weight limits though... ie 16# rifle/attachments for hunting...

Well I mean... if we are talking tank... then its your vehicle and their is no restriction on that right? I know you meant the .50 bmg but it was worth a shot lol!

[bearpaw]

skip to 3:00 mark

The guy is full of BS, he won't show you the other side of the does head.  It's not going to vacuum it's eye's out and kill it instantly.

If you watch the video close, the deer is looking to the left of the shooter, when he picks up the head the head is pointed the other way, that would be the exit side if it was hit. Additionally if you watch the retakes it looks like the bullet path is left and high. I think the guy is being truthful about not actually hitting the deer.

[LongBomb]

I heard the military or maybe it was NATO was having some issues for this very reason. The 50 bmg didn't require a direct hit to do damage, supposedly something about being inhumane??

[KFhunter]

@bearpaw 

[fishngamereaper]

You don't have to hit something with a 50 to kill it.

[bearpaw]

that is interesting too, but there doesn't appear to be a hole the size of that hole in the card in the doe, unless it actually went eye to eye without blowing up the head, that seems unlikely 

@bearpaw 

[JimmyHoffa]

It's moving about as fast as an 06 and only about 4 times the weight. Next time you shoot squirrels or a grouse with an 06, try to graze within an inch and see if it still kills it.

[Hilltop123]

Not sure why all the hub bub, some of you are chomping at the bit, to get a road kill permit, for a deer a Buick just took out.

[Alchase]

It's moving about as fast as an 06 and only about 4 times the weight. Next time you shoot squirrels or a grouse with an 06, try to graze within an inch and see if it still kills it.

I do this all the time with my 300 WM and grouse. Aim for he head, if you close miss, it knocks them senseless you can walk up and wring their neck.

[Karl Blanchard]

https://www.range365.com/sniper-bullets-shockwave-can-kill-fact-or-myth