The Fraud and Corruption of WDF&wolves

[wolfbait]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

[wolfbait]

"WDFW spent $1.27 million in 2017 on wolf monitoring and efforts, such as range riders, to prevent wolf attacks on livestock."

http://billingsgazette.com/lifestyles/recreation/washington-wolf-count-hits-new-high-wolves-in-known-packs/article_fea2d3ca-a883-58ef-a4c3-324f5e79bf45.html

[jstone]

Is there not a few just outside of Wenatchee? Pitcher canyon area?

[jstone]

How many pups does a breeding pair have a year?

[pianoman9701]

How many pups does a breeding pair have a year?

Apparently, 1/3 of a pup. You're welcome!

[Skyvalhunter]

How many pups does a breeding pair have a year?

From what I have heard wolves on one of the few animals that can control the size of the liter.

[vandeman17]

Is there not a few just outside of Wenatchee? Pitcher canyon area?

more than a few

[Skyvalhunter]

Time to thin out the ones without collars.

[Ridgeratt]

Here are a couple of lines from the article I 

The commission has suggested translocation of wolves from Stevens, Ferry and Pend Oreille counties to other portions of the state to accelerate wolves to recovered status.


“That’s legal under the state wolf management plan,” he said.

[bigmacc]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

You know what, talk about a government agency that needs to be investigated!  Something is really stinking here and has been since they became the WDFW. We really do need a Fish and Game dept. to take care of our FISH AND GAME...

[Milkman]

Time to thin out the ones without collars.

[bearpaw]

Just sickening the waste of money and waste of our wildlife resources, our treasured moose herd is being turned into wolf scat. 

[hunter399]

Just sickening the waste of money and waste of our wildlife resources, our treasured moose herd is being turned into wolf scat. 

[idahohuntr]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

Looks like your usual dose of misinformation and disregard for facts.   

https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar1618a/
Maletzke emphasized the surveys represent "minimum counts" of wolves in Washington state, due to the difficulty of accounting for every animal – especially lone wolves without a pack.

[STARVATION]

 It's the new math, the answer does not have to be correct as long as the process was followed.

[lewy]

Wolves aren’t going to follow a plan created by humans

[wolfbait]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

Looks like your usual dose of misinformation and disregard for facts.   

https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar1618a/
Maletzke emphasized the surveys represent "minimum counts" of wolves in Washington state, due to the difficulty of accounting for every animal – especially lone wolves without a pack.

WDFW minimum count is utter stupidity. which reminds me of the many wolf predations on livestock where WDF&wolves lied to our faces, they knew we knew they were lying, and they continued with their lies. Just like the year they estimated WA's wolves grew by one wolf, these estimates are in your face lies.

 And as WDFW taunt hunters, ranchers etc. with their corruption, WA's wildlife is being slaughtered by protected predators.

[STARVATION]

They spend $425,000.00 on some twit to tell us to shut up and suck it up but don't have funds for an accurate count?

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"

[northwesthunter84]

@jstone the answer on average is 5-6 pups with more a possibility. But with higher birth rate comes a higher mortality rate. The average for that is still 50% so 14 breeding pairs should come out to an average of 70 offspring, with survival on average of 35 offspring. Now most of those studies are done in areas where Lynx and other animals will actually target wolf pups. Not sure if cats have started doing that here. So I wouldn’t be surprised if mortality rate is marginally lower and more pups are surviving here in Washington.

[buglebrush]

Just sickening the waste of money and waste of our wildlife resources, our treasured moose herd is being turned into wolf scat. 

 . 
Absolutely mind boggling how much the moose population is declining. 

[nwwanderer]

Throw in wolves killing wolves, mange, distemper and parvo, the surviving # probably about 30%, doubling every third year and filling voids.  The WDFW official # is a sad situation.

[Netminder01]

Just sickening the waste of money and waste of our wildlife resources, our treasured moose herd is being turned into wolf scat. 

 

[mfswallace]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

Looks like your usual dose of misinformation and disregard for facts.   

https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/mar1618a/
Maletzke emphasized the surveys represent "minimum counts" of wolves in Washington state, due to the difficulty of accounting for every animal – especially lone wolves without a pack.

Yes we all know you are a recent inductee to the "liberal" world of biologists Thanks for again showing your true left feelings over facts ideology so we can take your comments as they appear...

[wolfbait]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

You know what, talk about a government agency that needs to be investigated!  Something is really stinking here and has been since they became the WDFW. We really do need a Fish and Game dept. to take care of our FISH AND GAME...

Yep, looking back to what we have now, WDFW is just another fake environmental group.

We watched some home movies of the 50's in the Methow this weekend, ranchers feeding deer in the winter, herds of spring deer, 300 plus in the alfalfa fields. Back then it was the "game department" now thanks to the corrupt WDFW with their protection of predators and massive tag output those days are over.

Washington's wolf population surge slows, worrying advocates

https://pilotonline.com/business/jobs/article_8a4e6ddb-b6b6-5758-b4f6-128b73adc554.html

[timberfaller]

We had those numbers in the 70's,  until the massive Doe hunts were allowed.  Oh ya, they claimed it was only going to be a 3 year program to bring the numbers down!!   The 3 point or better Gardner Unit was only suppose to last 6 years! Its was suppose to become the "states" premiere Mule deer trophy unit!!

Don't ya just love it when a plan comes together!!!

[Ridgeratt]

Interesting names show up Wolfbait.

Ben Maletzke was at one time working with WSU as the large carnivore research Bio. in around 2010. Now he's a specialist for the WDFW.
 

[Special T]

How can it only be 30% expansion when the study outside of Denali stated 70% harvest by hunters was necessary to hold populations constant?

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[bigmacc]

According to WDF&wolves, from 2016 to 2017 WA's wolf population grew by 7 wolves...


AgWatch | Wolfpacks grow, but sticking close to home


"The state Department of Fish and Wildlife say the state’s wolf population climbed from 115 in 2016 to 122 in 2017, but they’re concentrated in the Ferry, Okanogan, Pend Oreille and Stevens counties in northeast part of the state rather than spreading out. According to a report in the March 30 Capital Press, that’s a problem.”

https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2018/mar/24/agwatch-wolfpacks-grow-but-sticking-close-to-home/

You know what, talk about a government agency that needs to be investigated!  Something is really stinking here and has been since they became the WDFW. We really do need a Fish and Game dept. to take care of our FISH AND GAME...

Yep, looking back to what we have now, WDFW is just another fake environmental group.

We watched some home movies of the 50's in the Methow this weekend, ranchers feeding deer in the winter, herds of spring deer, 300 plus in the alfalfa fields. Back then it was the "game department" now thanks to the corrupt WDFW with their protection of predators and massive tag output those days are over.

Washington's wolf population surge slows, worrying advocates

https://pilotonline.com/business/jobs/article_8a4e6ddb-b6b6-5758-b4f6-128b73adc554.html

I have told many stories on here about the "Game dept." of old, I remember many trips as a kid pulling into the Game dept. compound with my dad and loading a thousand pounds of pellets into our truck and heading out to where ever they sent us to feed deer. I know I sound like a broken record but at least in the Methow(pre WDFW days) that mule deer herd in the valley was put on a pedestal, watched over and taken care. They were the Game Department and putting forth a "quality product"( for a lack of better words) for hunters and sportsmen was job number 1. Back then hunters and fisherman pumped a lot of money into the valley because of great hunting and fishing, this was important to the local economy because the average tourist had not yet discovered the Methow, heck, there was an old 2 pump gas station where the ice cream parlor is now Then the North cascade pass opened, more people discovered the valley, more people moved to the valley and some of those people who discovered and even moved there had different ideas about hunting. Then a little ways down the road the Game department became WDFW and things started to change in negative ways for the hunter. The WDFW (as I,ve said before) have way to many irons in the fire, too many special interest groups to cater to and have lost the trust of a lot of hunters, fishermen and sportsmen because of some of their activities and statements. Questions are being asked if the WDFW really have the best interest of our game herds at heart, why isn't more being done to preserve and grow hunting opportunities in our state or why arnt our game herds being taken care of the way they were pre WDFW. IMHO, thats what the Game department tried to do and could possibly do again and why we as hunters need a GAME DEPARTMENT to watch out for our best interests as hunters, an agency who is not being pulled in 20 different directions and often has to cater to different groups that are in direct conflict or negatively effect other groups. Was the Game dept. of old perfect? heck no but at least they didn't have all those irons in the fire, and yes, some of those irons are not good for our game herds! IMHO thats why we need a separate Fish and Game department, an agency that will actually represent and watch over our fisheries, game animals, fishermen and hunters....

[wolfbait]

Interesting names show up Wolfbait.

Ben Maletzke was at one time working with WSU as the large carnivore research Bio. in around 2010. Now he's a specialist for the WDFW.

I think it was in 2011 that WSU, CNW and WDFW were doing a study as to the impact of wolves on the mule deer in the Methow, they were walking through wolf killed deer to net and collar deer.  A friend and I talk to them, they said there was only two or three wolves in the lookout pack, and we showed them pictures of eight different wolves we had seen in the last two weeks. That was the same time that CNW said that fitkin knew of the other wolf pack up in Bridge Cr, but that it was to expensive to confirm.

I don't think we ever heard what the study said, but that winter the wolves were slaughtering the hell out of deer form Mazama to Black Canyon, we know as we hike into many kills, along with some cougar kills that wolves drove the cougars off of.

Now here we are seven years later, in the same spot with WDFW etc. continuing to lie to the people of WA.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Interesting names show up Wolfbait.

Ben Maletzke was at one time working with WSU as the large carnivore research Bio. in around 2010. Now he's a specialist for the WDFW.

I think it was in 2011 that WSU, CNW and WDFW were doing a study as to the impact of wolves on the mule deer in the Methow, they were walking through wolf killed deer to net and collar deer.  A friend and I talk to them, they said there was only two or three wolves in the lookout pack, and we showed them pictures of eight different wolves we had seen in the last two weeks. That was the same time that CNW said that fitkin knew of the other wolf pack up in Bridge Cr, but that it was to expensive to confirm.

I don't think we ever heard what the study said, but that winter the wolves were slaughtering the hell out of deer form Mazama to Black Canyon, we know as we hike into many kills, along with some cougar kills that wolves drove the cougars off of.

Now here we are seven years later, in the same spot with WDFW etc. continuing to lie to the people of WA.

Interesting, in nearly a decade on here you have never posted a picture of a wolf...one coyote, but never a wolf.  I would have guessed that you would share your wolf pics with this group, if you had any...

[wolfbait]

Interesting names show up Wolfbait.

Ben Maletzke was at one time working with WSU as the large carnivore research Bio. in around 2010. Now he's a specialist for the WDFW.

I think it was in 2011 that WSU, CNW and WDFW were doing a study as to the impact of wolves on the mule deer in the Methow, they were walking through wolf killed deer to net and collar deer.  A friend and I talk to them, they said there was only two or three wolves in the lookout pack, and we showed them pictures of eight different wolves we had seen in the last two weeks. That was the same time that CNW said that fitkin knew of the other wolf pack up in Bridge Cr, but that it was to expensive to confirm.

I don't think we ever heard what the study said, but that winter the wolves were slaughtering the hell out of deer form Mazama to Black Canyon, we know as we hike into many kills, along with some cougar kills that wolves drove the cougars off of.

Now here we are seven years later, in the same spot with WDFW etc. continuing to lie to the people of WA.

Interesting, in nearly a decade on here you have never posted a picture of a wolf...one coyote, but never a wolf.  I would have guessed that you would share your wolf pics with this group, if you had any...

Really? Well I guess I should probably change that, might take me a few days to go through some external hard drives, but I will make sure I post a few for you WAcoyote.

[wolfbait]

This picture was taken a few days before we talk to CNW, WSU as they were doing their "wolf impact" study.

2011

[wolfbait]

It's a little hard to see, unless you really zoom it up, we spotted this big wolf laying on a ridge above wolf kills South of Twisp.

[Skyvalhunter]

As Fitkin would say "That sure is a big coyote"

[wolfbait]

Same time frame as the pic above, wolves were howling it up, killed a deer about half mile outside of Twisp in lower Alder Cr., we hiked in and saw these two.

[nwwanderer]

Ask the livestock guys with wolf kills, rarely if ever see one, thanks wolfbait

[wolfbait]

We showed this photo to several people who know wolves, they thought wolf hybrid, maybe coyote/wolf, at any rate it wasn't afraid of us and stood off about fifty yards. This was taken just below the first photo of the big wolf.

[bigmacc]

We showed this photo to several people who know wolves, they thought wolf hybrid, maybe coyote/wolf, at any rate it wasn't afraid of us and stood off about fifty yards. This was taken just below the first photo of the big wolf.

My dad and I and a partner ran into something like this back in the 90,s up Boulder creek(Methow) one winter. The yote/wolf/ whatever paralleled us down a road in the middle of winter while we were doing some scouting, it was up the embankment from us and would stop when we stopped. A fella that was with us said "that a huge coyote!", my dad who had seen LOTS of wolves during the time he spent in Alaska working in my Great grandparents canaries and working on the pipeline said "that is not a coyote!!" we pulled out the video camera and filmed it for about 10 minutes. It dropped down the embankment onto the road in front of us and stared us down for at least 30-40 seconds, it was maybe 20 or so yards away. We whistled, yelled and even threw snowballs at it, it slowly walked over to the other side of the road and dropped over the side into a jack pine jungle.  We showed the video to a game fella we knew and he kind of scratched his head, paused and said "It must be a huge coyote", well, that coyote acted, looked like and in no way resembled any yote I have ever seen and it was twice the size of my 90lb lab.

[wolfbait]

In 92 or so we were cruising a timber sale up the Eight mile, and found a wolf den, saw one big wolf and tracks of others, we told the USFS, they said to keep it hushed as they were planted wolves.

One time in the 70's a friend and I had hiked in to South lake up the Twisp river, we got to talking to a FS ranger and my friend ask him about wolves people had seen, the ranger said it was suppose to be all on the hush hush, because they were planted. I had never seen any wolves but the guy I was with had.


Another time we were up in a long drainage, and at lunch time we were rolling rocks, getting close to the end of the sale, the USFS "biologist" were going through the sale making sure there weren't any "endangered" critters. They came across the area where we had rolled the rocks, and said they were 99.9% sure of a grizzly bear sighting, they said the grizzly bears were digging for glacier lilies. They fairly glowed with excitement, pictures were taken, other biologists were called in etc..

Mean while our crew debated on whether to fess up or go along and see where it went. Pretty soon in came the big wigs from Portland, they were going to throw the whole sale out, they had no bear scat, no tracks, no hair, no bear anything, just a bit of tore up ground. End of the story we fessed up, and they threw out around 200 acres just to save face.

We never got in any trouble for rock rolling, but after a while we did get told not to ask if they were 99.9% sure of anything, over the big radio.

Same area, late in the fall we saw a Dall Sheep and a big 4x4 mule buck hanging together, I had never seen a Dall Sheep in the wild before, it was one of those times we wished we had a camera.

After the grizzly bear farce we kept what we saw to our selves.

[Skyvalhunter]

And still you let it go

[timberfaller]

Fitkin and Crew believe the Methow deer herd is in tip top shape too!!   I was told that the reason we didn't see as many deer last winter was because it was so nice up high they didn't migrate down!

[Deerelk37]

Interesting names show up Wolfbait.

Ben Maletzke was at one time working with WSU as the large carnivore research Bio. in around 2010. Now he's a specialist for the WDFW.

I think it was in 2011 that WSU, CNW and WDFW were doing a study as to the impact of wolves on the mule deer in the Methow, they were walking through wolf killed deer to net and collar deer.  A friend and I talk to them, they said there was only two or three wolves in the lookout pack, and we showed them pictures of eight different wolves we had seen in the last two weeks. That was the same time that CNW said that fitkin knew of the other wolf pack up in Bridge Cr, but that it was to expensive to confirm.

I don't think we ever heard what the study said, but that winter the wolves were slaughtering the hell out of deer form Mazama to Black Canyon, we know as we hike into many kills, along with some cougar kills that wolves drove the cougars off of.

Now here we are seven years later, in the same spot with WDFW etc. continuing to lie to the people of WA.

Interesting, in nearly a decade on here you have never posted a picture of a wolf...one coyote, but never a wolf.  I would have guessed that you would share your wolf pics with this group, if you had any...

Wow what an ass.

In 2015 I saw 3 wolves on top of a ridge by elbow coulee about 1000 yards off for a grand total of 2-3 minutes. And two days earlier on Thompson ridge myself and a hunting partner saw a single wolf chasing a buck on a full sprint down a ridge. The buck did a face plant and was up in a split second to full speed running for its life as a wolf silently glided, angling towards it. It was so loud when we first heard the deer I thought an elk was across the draw. This encounter lasted a total of 15 seconds before they were out of sight. I don’t carry a camera so I don’t have any photos. So apparently this never happened. Just like trees don’t make a sound if nobody is around.