Idaho unit 26/27 cuts

[lord grizzly]

I wonder why a guy from Idaho {Lord Grizz} has nothing better to do than stir this pot, 20 plus posts and counting on this subject, maybe he's bored sitting in his trailer filled with beer cans and cat turds, maybe the mods should charge him to post on here, either way he has convinced me and my four hunting companions to put in for Idaho from now on. Good Job dude.

there's a quota on tags already. you wont be adding anything you'll just be another road hunter form out of town

[Branden]

We won’t miss you 

I'm sure you won't. But for every person you guys alienate that is one less email, letter, phone call, donation, etc to help Idaho out.

Also I'm sure it wouldn't take much to get the feds to make states start paying grazing fees for the wildlife that is using federal lands. Its hard for the Feds to turn down money. Most states compensate private landowners in different ways. Why should citizens of the 49 other states subsidize Idaho's wildlife on their land. I feel like it would be an easy argument to get pushed through.

Maybe the states will give out tags to different units the feds can auction or raffle off like landowner vouchers. Or they will just pay a flat fee per animal like the ranchers pay. A quick google showed around 500,000 estimated deer in Idaho. Almost 62% of Idaho is public land. If we just said that 62% of the deer live on federal land. That's 310,000 deer living on federal land. I think ranchers paid over $1.80 per AUM. So that would cost the state of Idaho almost $6.7 million for just its deer herd. Add in elk moose goat sheep etc and it is probably over $10 million. Since all game departments are always strapped for cash they do the one thing they can to raise money. Increase tag numbers or sell more auction tags. So who do you think would be buying those tags? If they kept non res tag prices the same they would have to sell over 24k more deer tags to non res or residents at the non res price to make up that $6.7 million for just the deer grazing fee.

Every state that makes it harder and harder for non res to hunt, or that has stupid allocations just push out the people paying the bills. And then people from California or New York get stuff pushed through because the rest of the hunters stop caring to waste their time/money helping a state that doesn't do anything for them.

And just for the record I'm all for game management. But I am against welfare. And in my opinion its not game management if one group of hunters is limited and another group is unlimited.

Plus after I get my lifetime license I can act cool like all the Idaho residents on this thread and tell all the non res to stay out we don't need or want you

Don't let these vocal "born again" Idahoans from California and Washington get you down.

Everyone is territorial...a 2A or K plate in parts of Idaho is as 'bad' as being a Non resident. Eastern Wa residents don't like all the west siders...and on and on. 

The reality is, states like Idaho better manage all the wildlife with the money and support from non residents.  While each state prioritizes its residents input on management, I'm confident IDFG will never turn it's back on NRs...and all the small town businesses sure appreciate your visits. 

None of us want to see another orange vest in our 'spot', but at the same time when something threatens our hunting heritage (unmanaged predators, politicians, anti hunters, land transfers etc.) we are stronger when we are one, relatively large, team. 

In some instances agencies have to reduce hunter numbers, and I support these actions...but anyone who thinks completely alienating a significant portion of the revenue base is a good long term strategy needs to pull their head out.  Do these folks want non hunters paying the Bill's and making hunting and wildlife decisions?? I'll take 10 non resident hunters over a single anti hunter or anti public land zealot!  Yea...non residents might be more competition...but they are not the enemy and should be treated with respect.

They aren't. I don't mind it. I am just pointing out what could happen. I have always treated Idaho like a friend with benefits. If I didn't have a GF at the time she got a call. Same as Idaho. If I don't have anything better then I grab a tag in Idaho.

[lord grizzly]

We won’t miss you 

Also I'm sure it wouldn't take much to get the feds to make states start paying grazing fees for the wildlife that is using federal lands. Its hard for the Feds to turn down money. Most states compensate private landowners in different ways. Why should citizens of the 49 other states subsidize Idaho's wildlife on their land. I feel like it would be an easy argument to get pushed through.

Maybe the states will give out tags to different units the feds can auction or raffle off like landowner vouchers. Or they will just pay a flat fee per animal like the ranchers pay. A quick google showed around 500,000 estimated deer in Idaho. Almost 62% of Idaho is public land. If we just said that 62% of the deer live on federal land. That's 310,000 deer living on federal land. I think ranchers paid over $1.80 per AUM. So that would cost the state of Idaho almost $6.7 million for just its deer herd. Add in elk moose goat sheep etc and it is probably over $10 million. Since all game departments are always strapped for cash they do the one thing they can to raise money. Increase tag numbers or sell more auction tags. So who do you think would be buying those tags? If they kept non res tag prices the same they would have to sell over 24k more deer tags to non res or residents at the non res price to make up that $6.7 million for just the deer grazing fee.

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im sure realize how silly you sound. good luck with pushing through this "easy " legislation 

[grundy53]

We won’t miss you 

Also I'm sure it wouldn't take much to get the feds to make states start paying grazing fees for the wildlife that is using federal lands. Its hard for the Feds to turn down money. Most states compensate private landowners in different ways. Why should citizens of the 49 other states subsidize Idaho's wildlife on their land. I feel like it would be an easy argument to get pushed through.

Maybe the states will give out tags to different units the feds can auction or raffle off like landowner vouchers. Or they will just pay a flat fee per animal like the ranchers pay. A quick google showed around 500,000 estimated deer in Idaho. Almost 62% of Idaho is public land. If we just said that 62% of the deer live on federal land. That's 310,000 deer living on federal land. I think ranchers paid over $1.80 per AUM. So that would cost the state of Idaho almost $6.7 million for just its deer herd. Add in elk moose goat sheep etc and it is probably over $10 million. Since all game departments are always strapped for cash they do the one thing they can to raise money. Increase tag numbers or sell more auction tags. So who do you think would be buying those tags? If they kept non res tag prices the same they would have to sell over 24k more deer tags to non res or residents at the non res price to make up that $6.7 million for just the deer grazing fee.

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im sure realize how silly you sound. good luck with pushing through this "easy " legislation 

Doesn't sound any sillier than some of your ideas...

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[Mudman]

Um 2 wrongs make a right??  Cmon pissy talk doesn't help anyone.  Chill... Be thankfull for the opportunity still left to enjoy, except in Wa!

[Karl Blanchard]

Good Lord people act like they banned NR from hunting Idaho.  It's a cap on NR FOR A SINGLE HUNT people.  Almost every single western state has a draw cap on NR tag allocations. 

The idea of making states pay a grazing fee per animal is literally the  moat ridiculous idea I've ever heard.  Every single state owns their wildlife and those state owned animals inhabit federal lands on some level.  An idea like that would simultaneously bankrupt every single fish and game agency in the country, NOT JUST IDAHO.   

[Jonathan_S]

I wonder if the fine Idaho gentleman who yelled at me to "Go back to Warshinton!" is on this thread?  Or perhaps the one who bashed my passenger side mirror with a tire iron for daring to be in Idaho during elk season.

I'm fine with the IDFG management so far and I'm happy to pay $1,000 to hunt deer, elk and bear there when I have the time.  Wish I didn't get accosted for my presence though.  Most of the guys from Kootenai are pretty decent but it seems they are not "really Idaho" according to some of their neighbors.

The Frank Church is wonderful country and I'll probably make another trip down there this June.

[grundy53]

Good Lord people act like they banned NR from hunting Idaho.  It's a cap on NR FOR A SINGLE HUNT people.  Almost every single western state has a draw cap on NR tag allocations. 

The idea of making states pay a grazing fee per animal is literally the  moat ridiculous idea I've ever heard.  Every single state owns their wildlife and those state owned animals inhabit federal lands on some level.  An idea like that would simultaneously bankrupt every single fish and game agency in the country, NOT JUST IDAHO.   

I don't think his response was because of the cap. I think it has more to do with the antagonistic attitude of some of the Idaho residents participating in this thread.

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[lord grizzly]

thanks for everything guys. its bear season now so I no longer need to look for other forms of entertainment to combat the cabin fever. this thread and your responses have been a hoot. ill be off killing stuff now 

[bobcat]

thanks for everything guys. its bear season now so I no longer need to look for other forms of entertainment to combat the cabin fever. this thread and your responses have been a hoot. ill be off killing stuff now 

Good, just please stay out of Washington.   

[Jonathan_S]

Maybe I'll see you out there @lord_grizzly ! I'll save a few for you

[lord grizzly]

thanks for everything guys. its bear season now so I no longer need to look for other forms of entertainment to combat the cabin fever. this thread and your responses have been a hoot. ill be off killing stuff now 

Good, just please stay out of Washington.   

does that agreement go both ways? if so that's a easy deal, your on

[bobcat]

thanks for everything guys. its bear season now so I no longer need to look for other forms of entertainment to combat the cabin fever. this thread and your responses have been a hoot. ill be off killing stuff now 

Good, just please stay out of Washington.   

does that agreement go both ways? if so that's a easy deal, your on

Sure, I'll be in Wyoming, not Idaho.

[idahohuntr]

I wonder why a guy from Idaho {Lord Grizz} has nothing better to do than stir this pot, 20 plus posts and counting on this subject, maybe he's bored sitting in his trailer filled with beer cans and cat turds, maybe the mods should charge him to post on here, either way he has convinced me and my four hunting companions to put in for Idaho from now on. Good Job dude.

there's a quota on tags already. you wont be adding anything you'll just be another road hunter form out of town

He's not from Idaho based on his previous posts where he described having a Washington license and then moved to Idaho.  He's like a few other Californians I've met that move to Idaho...but I still don't understand why he has to have such an arrogant and condescending attitude...particularly on a WA hunting forum. While I don't like it any better...I am more sympathetic to the negative comments directed at NR's if its coming from a 5th generation Idahoan whose had a hunting area overrun by out of towners.  A guy who moved to Idaho from Wa, who then wants to come on a WA hunting forum and post a bunch of negative crap...I don't get it.    

[idaho guy]

I have to think 39 is on the list of the “to be addressed” units. I love how  our crew fills literally dozens of tags in there  yearly. I go over early October and occupy one of your “Treasured”  campgrounds to save a spot for my brethren, then we proceed to nullify your deer population. Why??? Because we can. IDGF lets us. They want our money. We stay till November 1 then kill a couple whitetail on the way home. Why??? Because we can. Idaho is like an Easter egg hunt to me. There's stuff under every tree. I just have to pay the price of admission. But, here’s the news cowboy, OR, CA, UT, NV hunters know this as well. It’ll change someday, but until then, we’re Gonna rape and pillage your village. Booyah.

And that is why people hate out of staters. I have thought about this before but I am coming to Washington to bring some meat back our way and I will pay your stupid prices just to prove a point and I will post success or lack thereof on here.   Nullify our deer herd really? that is the problem no respect for the resource just I am gonna kill something because I legally can pathetic. I took my son as a youth to Washington at age 8 because he could kill a deer younger than Idaho and I was gratefull for the program and the many deer he harvested I never once wanted to kill everything he legally could. We found plenty of deer and elk quite a bit maybe if you spent more time in your own backyard and less time raping and pillaging ours you would fine them too. Back to the point Idaho did this to MANAGE their game and all they did was LIMIT out of state tags for a limited period of time. YOU CAN STILL HUNT 26 and 27 and I don't know how many other areas.  Residents of ALL states should get priority on game but there is still no other state as generous to non residents as Idaho.