Out of the points game

[M_ray]

My vote is for the status quo. Hunt OTC every year and pay a small fee to have a slim chance of drawing a great unit or OIL species. It’s a lottery, there should be no feeling of entitlement.  If you don’t like it, don’t play. If you want out, get out... your only out a few hundred bucks over 20 years  Not enough tags to go around

That would make sense if what we are proposing was just an idea but the reality is it works in other states and the odds do increase for each species. So stay status quo and have a slim chance or start checking off bucket list hunts! 

[idaho guy]

We could do like Idaho... and only allow X amount of NR tags to be drawn! That seems fair since they did that right? lol!
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I think very few nr hunters put in for Washington you already made it a terrible deal for any non resident who is not a youth. I’m pretty sure most out of state hunters don’t even consider applying

[bobcat]

My vote is for the status quo. Hunt OTC every year and pay a small fee to have a slim chance of drawing a great unit or OIL species. It’s a lottery, there should be no feeling of entitlement.  If you don’t like it, don’t play. If you want out, get out... your only out a few hundred bucks over 20 years  Not enough tags to go around

That would make sense if what we are proposing was just an idea but the reality is it works in other states and the odds do increase for each species. So stay status quo and have a slim chance or start checking off bucket list hunts! 

Odds can't go up for everybody. If odds go up for you, for whatever reason, then odds went down for somebody else.

[W_Ellison2011]

We could do like Idaho... and only allow X amount of NR tags to be drawn! That seems fair since they did that right? lol!
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I think very few nr hunters put in for Washington you already made it a terrible deal for any non resident who is not a youth. I’m pretty sure most out of state hunters don’t even consider applying

Keep talking like that and I'll start applying for the Idaho tags! BAHAHAHA!

[buglebrush]

People wouldn't all apply for sheep.  I always apply for sheep and moose now, but if the system would change I would focus on decent elk and mule tags that would now have much better odds.  I cannot understand how people can be so invested in defending WDFW'S mess.  Really it's ridiculous to listen to people. 

[Oh Mah]

What happens if you make that deal but two thirds of the applicants apply for sheep? You gave up a chance to draw another OIL permit for little gain. The goat applicants are happy but you lost ground overall.

This is what i have been saying for 2 years now..

What makes these others think that if you could only put in for 1 app that 2/3 or more wouldnt put in for the same app because most want that one.IF THEY DON'T GET IT NOW THEY NEVER WILL. these guys act like they are gathering around the same camp.Lets see you hunters that want only one app per hunter,this year you only put in for 2nd deer only,that will surely raise the antler less odds for others.Next year only put in for spring bear so on

[buglebrush]

What happens if you make that deal but two thirds of the applicants apply for sheep? You gave up a chance to draw another OIL permit for little gain. The goat applicants are happy but you lost ground overall.

This is what i have been saying for 2 years now..

What makes these others think that if you could only put in for 1 app that 2/3 or more wouldnt put in for the same app because most want that one.IF THEY DON'T GET IT NOW THEY NEVER WILL. these guys act like they are gathering around the same camp.Lets see you hunters that want only one app per hunter,this year you only put in for 2nd deer only,that will surely raise the antler less odds for others.Next year only put in for spring bear so on

See my post above.  Also, 2/3 of the sheep applicants would still be better than all of them as they are currently.  You guys are just getting ridiculous now.

[Oh Mah]

Stand by what you said man,put in for 1 app only and only put in for second deer.No antler less elk,no bull,only 2nd deer.

you see if you put in for cow and i put in for cow and almost everyone else puts in for cow because they can only do one then there you go.

You should re evaluate who's being ridiculous.

[Mudman]

Stick with it.  Reason is so many less hunters and it will likely continue.  #'s down so your odds are going up. Wasnt it a 25% decline over past years?  So ya that's a big improvement in odds isn't it?

[Oh Mah]

I have started a poll for anyone interested to see how a 1 app. state would work here.

[Magnum_Willys]

Reality- Odds are so long that even if they improve a bunch its still the lottery so enter everything and just hope to get lucky. Forget all the science - its all about luck.  Points mean little, luck is luck.  15-20 points and you only need to be really really  really lucky vs 5 points and you have to be impossibly lucky.   

[Skillet]

Stand by what you said man,put in for 1 app only and only put in for second deer.No antler less elk,no bull,only 2nd deer.

you see if you put in for cow and i put in for cow and almost everyone else puts in for cow because they can only do one then there you go.

You should re evaluate who's being ridiculous.

I took your comment a little out of context in the bold, but it illustrates the point that that everybody having access to all of the draw categories at the same time  does lower overall odds in each category - by encouraging participation at a very low price point. 

There is no way the WDFW will go back to single category application limits.  They've already monetized the individual category points points by allowing people to buy points, and to choose either a cash reward or points in the draws for turning in poachers.

The only way out of this is to increase the application price until people start choosing less categories to apply for, and are more rationally selecting hunts based on their own cost - benefit analysis. Be it odds, trophy of a lifetime, or just whatever is available in the family's traditional hunting grounds.

 

Reality- Odds are so long that even if they improve a bunch its still the lottery so enter everything and just hope to get lucky. Forget all the science - its all about luck.  Points mean little, luck is luck.  15-20 points and you only need to be really really  really lucky vs 5 points and you have to be impossibly lucky.   

 

[meatwhack]

If they would at least limit it to 1 choice per category that would improve odds also. Same revenue, same amount of categories so everyone can have all these options they feel they need but just make everyone pick 1 choice.

[bobcat]

If they would at least limit it to 1 choice per category that would improve odds also. Same revenue, same amount of categories so everyone can have all these options they feel they need but just make everyone pick 1 choice.,

Overall it wouldn't make odds better in the category, but yes some permits would probably be a little easier to draw, but others might be harder. Think about it. Same number of applicants for the same number of permits, how does that change the odds?

[teanawayslayer]

If they would at least limit it to 1 choice per category that would improve odds also. Same revenue, same amount of categories so everyone can have all these options they feel they need but just make everyone pick 1 choice.,

Overall it wouldn't make odds better in the category, but yes some permits would probably be a little easier to draw, but others might be harder. Think about it. Same number of applicants for the same number of permits, how does that change the odds?

how would it not makes your odds better? Less applicants = bedder odds. You do the math!