Wolf supporters, you happy ?

[jasnt]

Yeah, wolf supporters should be happy.  This mountain is now nearly devoid of game.  Not jack for deer or bears, elk are scarce, and moose getting hammered.  I count 11 wolves here.  Mountain is absolutely covered in wolf tracks, and they have a den just a little ways south of this cam, so i expect 14+ in this pack soon, and with the way they seem to have run all of the game out of the area, im certain theyre goibg to splinter off into multiple smaller groups, most of which wont be collared and therefore untrackable, leading to greater costs for wdfw.  Hope youre happy wolf lovers.

i was hoping you would post those pics. Post more. Those pics you sent me. At least a dozen in that pack best I could count.

 Your blind if you think populations haven’t been affected in this area.  Predators are a major problem in me wa. Cars are not the worst and neither are people. Cats and k9’s need to hit the dirt.   We need to target predators to make a difference. The state will not help us. We need to stand up and do it

[Oh Mah]

agreed

[Oh Mah]

They are in central WA, and the Elk are declining in central WA. but there's more factors going on than wolves alone. 
MT. Lion are also very thick in central WA, and then there's the whole tribal issue going on, bigger herds there than in NEWA.  The dynamics aren't all the same.  Each region needs to be looked individually, not this one shoe fits all approach.

Wolves will get worse though, you're a few years behind us here in NEWA.

exactly.so what about the straw the camel and all that?The fact is and this is what im trying to point out,wolves are not every where buts cats and coyotes are,we can hunt cats and coyotes but not enough hunters do.If the opened a wolf season and i hope they do some day,will it be the same?All complaining and no out hunting them.

[jasnt]

They are in central WA, and the Elk are declining in central WA. but there's more factors going on than wolves alone. 
MT. Lion are also very thick in central WA, and then there's the whole tribal issue going on, bigger herds there than in NEWA.  The dynamics aren't all the same.  Each region needs to be looked individually, not this one shoe fits all approach.

Wolves will get worse though, you're a few years behind us here in NEWA.

exactly.so what about the straw the camel and all that?The fact is and this is what im trying to point out,wolves are not every where buts cats and coyotes are,we can hunt cats and coyotes but not enough hunters do.If the opened a wolf season and i hope they do some day,will it be the same?All complaining and no out hunting them.

thats where you are dead wrong. Many of us are out targeting predators and that number keeps growing. I urge all those that read this to target predators. I’ve stopped targeting deer and elk and have made my sole target predators. I’ll continue typhsh this till I see a difference

[Oh Mah]

umm i'm not dead wrong jasnt,not very many are like you out there targeting the predators.

How many hunters do you know jasnt that wont hunt coyotes when the pups are dropping?I hear hunters saying this all the time,If they wont hunt them when they are pups they are not trying to thin them out.

[Oh Mah]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/12/hunters-serve-as-main-source-of-coyote-management/

[Oh Mah]

http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/local/living-among-coyotes-in-the-yakima-valley/article_4d9d59ec-abf3-11e7-a781-0315e60231e3.html

[jasnt]

umm i'm not dead wrong jasnt,not very many are like you out there targeting the predators.

How many hunters do you know jasnt that wont hunt coyotes when the pups are dropping?I hear hunters saying this all the time,If they wont hunt them when they are pups they are not trying to thin them out.

every guy I know will kill coyotes at the drop of a hat. Doesn’t matter what they are hunting. If a predator shows up it gets lead poisoning. Things maybe different in your neck of the woods but in my area....if it eats meat it’s on the list. Regardless of seasons. I don’t hunt fur. My friends don’t hunt fur.   There is no off season in ne wa

In my circle coyotes are targeted may- July.  Pups or no pups I don’t care. My friends don’t either. Sounds like too many folks need to take note in your circle. They all die if given the chance. 

Too many folks don’t. But you can bet your last buck many of us are out there hunting them year round.

[Oh Mah]

 

[bowhunterforever]

umm i'm not dead wrong jasnt,not very many are like you out there targeting the predators.

How many hunters do you know jasnt that wont hunt coyotes when the pups are dropping?I hear hunters saying this all the time,If they wont hunt them when they are pups they are not trying to thin them out.

every guy I know will kill coyotes at the drop of a hat. Doesn’t matter what they are hunting. If a predator shows up it gets lead poisoning. Things maybe different in your neck of the woods but in my area....if it eats meat it’s on the list. Regardless of seasons. I don’t hunt fur. My friends don’t hunt fur.   There is no off season in ne wa

In my circle coyotes are targeted may- July.  Pups or no pups I don’t care. My friends don’t either. Sounds like too many folks need to take note in your circle. They all die if given the chance. 

Too many folks don’t. But you can bet your last buck many of us are out there hunting them year round.

All my buddies are the same

[Oh Mah]

If the wolves are the biggest problem why the decline in ungulates everywhere in the state?Map from Dec. 2017.WDFW

[h20hunter]

Overabundance of all predators in the entire state.

[Oh Mah]

yep. 

[bigmacc]

Overabundance of all predators in the entire state.

 ...lots of bears, lots of cats....everywhere

[nwwanderer]

I am not in the all predator pool but what % of WA whitetail live in those big (not big enough) green blobs?  The problem is complex but dead from a wolf is one of the major ones where wolves are entrenched.  Wolf practices also causes increased cat predation.  Every stolen cat kill, (what % is that WDFW?), increases the take by cats and other predators.  The predator problem is one that can be managed, most of the others in a wild population can not.  The wolf needs to have the same status as a coyote with the reproductive potential they exhibit.  They are expanding world wide at an alarming rate.