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Quote from: Oh Mah on April 30, 2018, 09:34:48 AMQuote from: Cougartail on April 15, 2018, 01:05:46 PMWolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you? lolI agree with some of your points here but your math is skewed,You didn't do any figures on wolf kills for just killing.Bears,Coyotes and Cats don't just kill for sport,Wolves do. The numbers are meaningless. He's correct that all predators need attention, we can hunt cats, bears and coyote, we can't hunt the wolf. WDFW has an asinine cougar quota plan and restricts bear hunting far too much. We need better management of all predators and we need state driven management of wolves or full de-listing and a season put on them.
Quote from: Cougartail on April 15, 2018, 01:05:46 PMWolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you? lolI agree with some of your points here but your math is skewed,You didn't do any figures on wolf kills for just killing.Bears,Coyotes and Cats don't just kill for sport,Wolves do.
Wolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you? lol
Quote from: KFhunter on April 30, 2018, 09:42:48 AMQuote from: Oh Mah on April 30, 2018, 09:34:48 AMQuote from: Cougartail on April 15, 2018, 01:05:46 PMWolf kills on deer and elk, 6000 max.Cougar kills on deer and elk, 85,000 min.Yeah, I'm the one who isn't thinking clearly..Do you want me to estimate bears and coyotes for you? lolI agree with some of your points here but your math is skewed,You didn't do any figures on wolf kills for just killing.Bears,Coyotes and Cats don't just kill for sport,Wolves do. The numbers are meaningless. He's correct that all predators need attention, we can hunt cats, bears and coyote, we can't hunt the wolf. WDFW has an asinine cougar quota plan and restricts bear hunting far too much. We need better management of all predators and we need state driven management of wolves or full de-listing and a season put on them.They (wdfw) also are giving some questionable numbers on cougars. For years they used numbers around 2000 and I rarely ran into tracks. For a while they used 3500 or there about and I saw tracks everywhere. Still see tracks everywhere and they are now back to 2000??? (Being a trapper I am always looking at tracks.) A good way to lower quotas I guess?
No one knows,But by the math of what they eat between 52 and 35 per wolf per year.That does not account for sight hunting wolves.It is well known that Wolves will kill ungulates just for sport.
Quote from: Oh Mah on April 30, 2018, 01:49:46 PMNo one knows,But by the math of what they eat between 52 and 35 per wolf per year.That does not account for sight hunting wolves.It is well known that Wolves will kill ungulates just for sport.So they eat 52 deer per wolf per year. What about elk? I'm not positive, but I don't think every wolf kills 1 deer and 1 elk per week. I could be wrong there I guess. I'm also not a wolf supporter, and I know I'm a little late to this particular game, but I'm fairly sure the decreased ungulate numbers probably are a huge, nasty combination of wolves, a massive quantity of lions, coyotes and bears probably killing more fawns than anything, weather, habitat loss... I just don't believe there are enough wolves in the state to be the sole reason for our crappy ungulate numbers.