Wolf supporters, you happy ?

[buglebrush]

Wolves aren't a small problem in regions hit hardest by them, statewide they lag behind mt. lions for total deer killed sure, but in regions where wolves have a strong foot hold it's not "a small problem".    If you happen to live or hunt in those area's you'd be on here saying they're a very big problem.

I hope this isnt aimed at me because i don't think its a small problem at all.Just pointing out the fact that all of them together need dealt with and us hunters can do a large portion of fixing it legally.Our native friends can fix part of it for us also legally.Everyone keeps bringing up quotas what about the native quotas oh wait there are none.The state puts (to us)unfair quotas because the Natives have there share if our quotas are filled or almost filled then we need to ask our fellow native hunters to step up their game and take out some of these predators with and for us. 

Dude you expressly said it was a " small problem" in your previous comment.  Your strong aversion to admitting the true impact of wolves in the future of Western hunting just keeps leaking out.  How about Yellowstone?  Wolves are and were the tipping point. 

[Oh Mah]

Show the post where i said wolves are a small problem i meant wolves are a problem all be it a small one in comparison to all the other problems.Wolves dont have the numbers to be a big problem.

[Magnum_Willys]

the wolves are a problem (all be it a small one)

sorry man..... the straw that broke the camels back is small but critically important !

[Oh Mah]

#1 auto huge problem

#2 coyotes big problem

#3 cougars big problem

#4 bears problem

#5 wolves problem

In this order.

[Oh Mah]

the wolves are a problem (all be it a small one)

sorry man..... the straw that broke the camels back is small but critically important !

Agreed i said that meant it in comparison.

[Oh Mah]

Also for the record i am all for the hunting of wolves and have been for years.

[Oh Mah]

Years of no hound hunting for cats is having a serious impact.  In the NE wolves are the straw that broke the camels back, but the overabundance of cats is a huge concern as well.

Your argument here is muted by the fact that the cougar quotas are being filled every year according to some of the members on here.If the quotas were higher we could argue more clearly that hounds were needed but as long as the dept. keeps the quotas low we can't show the need for hounds. 

[buglebrush]

#1 auto huge problem

#2 coyotes big problem

#3 cougars big problem

#4 bears problem

#5 wolves problem

In this order.

The idea that Autos are problem #1 and Coyotes #2 is laughable and out of touch in the extreme. 

[Oh Mah]

The numbers don't lie.The fact that you want to deny these facts is laughable.Now if you want to argue bring some facts.

[Tbar]

The numbers don't lie.The fact that you want to deny these facts is laughable.Now if you want to argue bring some facts.

Can you cite your source of these numbers? Numbers mean very little of you pull them out of the air.

[Cougartail]

Also for the record i am all for the hunting and trapping of wolves and have been for years.

Fixed it for you. You forgot trapping!

[jasnt]

Also for the record i am all for the hunting and trapping of wolves and have been for years.

Fixed it for you. You forgot trapping!

wonder if you could get a wolf in a non-body gripping trap

[Oh Mah]

The numbers don't lie.The fact that you want to deny these facts is laughable.Now if you want to argue bring some facts.

Can you cite your source of these numbers? Numbers mean very little of you pull them out of the air.

Google it yourself,its been posted on here before.For the record i'm not saying that auto kills more than cougar or coyote only saying that it is our number one problem.

When you have a population of people that feel the deer and elk are a danger to motorist and of no interest to them then that's where you get the WDFW way of dealing with the game animals of this state .

Some would say that auto collisions are the straw.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

In Utah and some other states, auto kill is equal to or  more than hunter kill.

https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2011/02/28/more-deer-killed-by-cars-than-hunters/#.WutzKpdG3IU

And some places there is push back from non hunters against wildlife managers managing for more animals because of auto crashes and crop damage. There is definitely more to think of than just producing animals for hunters.

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/michigan-hunters-dont-need-more-deer

[buglebrush]

Of course Wolves drive ungulates down out of the high country, and exacerbate any auto problem. 

You're incapable of seeing/admitting the impact wolves are having.  When our future generations will no longer have OTC hunting seasons, the primary reason will be over-oredation due to poor Management.  The Tipping point being the introduction and over-protection of an invasive species: " the Canadian grey Wolf".  Bury your head in the sand all you want and blame cars as the #1 problem, but it doesn't change the fact that you're dead wrong.  Listen to this podcast.  http://averyadventures.com/?powerpress_pinw=1370-podcast