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4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« on: May 06, 2018, 07:47:19 PM »
Just coming back from the CDA casino tonight toward Rockford RIGHT AT the WA/ID line on the left side out in the field 80-100yds out I was shocked to see 4 mature wolves at 7:30 pm. I took a 30 sec video or so plus a few cell pics. They seemed like they could care less if I was there.
If you shoot the first one you will never get that true trophy.

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2018, 07:50:16 PM »
Cell phone pic of one of them.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2018, 07:11:53 AM by jackelope »
If you shoot the first one you will never get that true trophy.

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 08:34:44 PM »
Did you nudge them across to Idaho ;)
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 06:33:51 AM »
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2018, 07:14:46 AM »
Been here for years, several gone cattle, consumed a doe on my drive way, WDFW no where in sight.  Business as usual

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2018, 07:15:28 AM »
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.

I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2018, 07:29:45 AM »
Don’t tell that to the Siberians.

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2018, 07:39:34 AM »
Don’t tell that to the Siberians.

OK, but relatively speaking...
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2018, 08:03:44 AM »
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.

I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.

They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2018, 09:42:16 AM »
Hold the phone here.  How could you see 4 at once?  WDFW says there's only 122 in the state. We should all trust the WDFW, right?
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2018, 09:43:52 AM »
Hold the phone here.  How could you see 4 at once?  WDFW says there's only 122 in the state. We should all trust the WDFW, right?

Simple he stated they are on the Idaho/ Washington border. These are Idaho wolves who are just on a sightseeing trip.  :chuckle:

Possibly from the Signal peak pack that is working over the Mica Peak Moose.

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2018, 09:46:00 AM »
Good one.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2018, 10:10:02 AM »
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.

I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.

They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.

Valid point.  The fact that wolves were/are  shot at on sight in North America has surely skewed the Data compared to other countries.  They're highly intelligent.  The stories from my trapper friends are crazy with how smart they are.

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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2018, 10:37:38 AM »
They're becoming more acclimated to humans and will keep coming closer. For you wolf lovers, this is the huge difference between our wolves and other predators. They have no fear of humans, no memory of danger. First they'll start eating garbage late at night, then during the day, each time sizing up the humans with whom they come in contact. Wolves act the same all over the world. It won't be long now before they discover how easy humans are to prey on.

I didn't think wolf attacks on humans were very common.

They're quite common, especially in areas where they're not harmed. In Russia, where the population is unarmed for the most part, every 20-30 years the government must go out and wipe out packs of wolves that have become acclimated and unafraid of people. During the 1900s and as recently as a decade ago, hundreds of attacks have been recorded. The same has happened in Scandinavia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, and Iran. Wolf behavior doesn't change from country to country. They go after wildlife. When that decreases, they go after livestock and start becoming comfortable around humans. Garbage is next. Then they start testing humans and their reactions as possible prey. You should read more about wolves around the world. We're headed in this direction.

As you suggested I hit the googler and did some reading. I'd assume we'd be comparing apples to apples. Kazakhstan has roughly 90,000 wolves per a survey in 2007, which is the biggest wolf population of any country anywhere in the world. There are wolf bounty hunters, trappers and the native people hunt them with golden eagles. Canada is 3 times the size of Kazakhstan and has roughly 60k wolves. Russia is at roughly 45,000 wolves.  Poachers have decimated the wolves food source in Kazakhstan too. 1.5m antelope to 40k antelope. There has been 50 wolf attacks on humans in Kazakhstan since the 80's.

Not a wolf lover, just trying to see reality.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2018, 10:47:45 AM »
Look at the history of Russia and wolves. Especially in Siberia during the Soviet era, whole towns were being preyed upon. These people had no means by which to fight off the wolves and the wolves became bolder and bolder until they started attacking people. This was normally when the government would send in a team to wipe them out. The stages leading up to these attacks are quite similar to where we are in WA now. Most of these wolves have never feared man for any reason. They're preying on livestock and coming in closer. They will definitely repeat the patterns of the past. Stories like Little Red Riding Hood were written for a reason because they knew the nature of wolves and wanted the children scared. The wolf huggers of today are in complete denial about the dangers of wolves and are misinforming our population about those dangers, either through their wolf-loving haze or by knowingly lying to protect the program. Either way, our rural residents are and will pay the price of their misinformation campaigns.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2018, 11:01:39 AM »
Could someone please list the wolf attacks on humans which have occurred in Wa, Or, ID, MT, and Wy since wolves were reintroduced 23 years ago.  Maybe just the number of people killed or seriously injured/hospitalized per year?  I assume its low in the early years and much higher when numbers in the region soared into the thousands.
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Re: 4 wolves tonight, Rockford WA
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2018, 11:08:22 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

Two take-aways: 1) without firearms, quite a few more fatal attacks would have occurred in North America, and 2) in predatory wolf attacks, gunshots and even killing multiple wolves has not deterred the remainder of the pack from attacking and sometimes killing the armed victims.

Reading the details of the attacks, fatal and nonfatal, reinforces my opinion that a key to coexisting with large carnivores is hunting to continuously cull the boldest and most aggressive disproportionately.  Shy large carnivore populations, whether bears, cats or wolves, are key to limiting human injuries and deaths, and to the longterm persistence of those populations. 

Where large carnivore populations are not hunted, notably parks (and states with regard to wolves), management agencies should be much more aggressive in removing bold individuals from populations and should respond to credible reports of bold individuals displaying curious or aggressive behaviors in the same manner as attacks.
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

 


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