Anyone know these people?

[yakimanoob]

I don't care how long someone leaves something tied to a tree or in the woods.  If its not mine I don't have the right to take it.  If you take it you are a thief.

Wrong....
 I would not take that cable because I could deduct that someone would come back for it with the camera and the carcass.  But if something happened to you and you weren’t coming back you are leaving derelict gear eventually someone would be picking up your garbage.
An argument could even be made that you shouldn’t be cabling up a carcass. It’s disrespectful to the elk.
You may find your thief and he might tell you to stop cabling up animals carcasses.

By your logic, I call dibs on your tent and camp gear while you're out being "respectful" to the elk.

[Elkcollector82]

I might be over reading the rcw. But it says in the rcw it’s illegal to attract bears with bait. Now I know bears come into salt licks, apples etc etc. but a guy can play that off as to baiting elk or deer. Then I also know that a gut pile from a legally harvested animal or a natural death isn’t classified as baiting. But I think when a guy cables a carcass to a tree in front of a cam. Your trying to attract an animal in a way that reads illegal. 


(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, * 77.36.020, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.

[Oh Mah]

Don't really care either way on this one because i can't figure out any reason for someone to lock a skeleton to a tree why not just tie it to tree with cheap cord,no one is gonna steal the carcass.As for stealing it,I'm not convinced that that was any motive at all.Was the camera on the carcass to view bears and cats?If they didn't take the cam post the pics lol.

Use your eyes before you take to the keyboard.

I don't know what you're talking about,, my eyes were open when i watched an older guy take a skeleton that cabled to a tree down.What am i missing.how long was that cabled to the tree,there is not a stitch of meat and no blood stain at all.I am starting to think this entire thread is a joke and maybe even an illegal one.I don't know the rcw off hand but i do know you are not allowed to take wild game from where it died and use it for bait,I am also pretty sure whatever it was did not die strapped to that tree.


You thinking about deleting this thread yet? 

[yakimanoob]

I might be over reading the rcw. But it says in the rcw it’s illegal to attract bears with bait. Now I know bears come into salt licks, apples etc etc. but a guy can play that off as to baiting elk or deer. Then I also know that a gut pile from a legally harvested animal or a natural death isn’t classified as baiting. But I think when a guy cables a carcass to a tree in front of a cam. Your trying to attract an animal in a way that reads illegal. 


(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, * 77.36.020, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.

I never considered that the ban on baiting for hunting would apply to photography, so thanks for bringing that up.  The RCW you quoted does specify "(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them." So I think I'm in the clear. 

On another thread, it was mentioned that a LEO could argue I was in violation of this law if I were to hunt that bear in the fall (under the "intend to hunt them" phrase above).  That's probably right, so I won't be bear hunting anywhere near here for a year or two. 

 

[yakimanoob]

Don't really care either way on this one because i can't figure out any reason for someone to lock a skeleton to a tree why not just tie it to tree with cheap cord,no one is gonna steal the carcass.As for stealing it,I'm not convinced that that was any motive at all.Was the camera on the carcass to view bears and cats?If they didn't take the cam post the pics lol.

Use your eyes before you take to the keyboard.

I don't know what you're talking about,, my eyes were open when i watched an older guy take a skeleton that cabled to a tree down.What am i missing.how long was that cabled to the tree,there is not a stitch of meat and no blood stain at all.I am starting to think this entire thread is a joke and maybe even an illegal one.I don't know the rcw off hand but i do know you are not allowed to take wild game from where it died and use it for bait,I am also pretty sure whatever it was did not die strapped to that tree.


You thinking about deleting this thread yet? 

Not thinking about deleting the thread, but I do admit I was a little cranky in my reply to you. Sorry about that.  The implications that it's OK to take things that don't belong to you had me in a bad mood. 

The carcass was from my 2017 spike.  I mentioned that I'd post the video of the critters and posted the compilation in the thread "Winter in the elk woods." I used a cable because I new there were cats in the area and wanted to make it hard on them to move it out of the frame.  Figured a cat or bear would make quick work of paracord or the like, and the next toughest thing I had was that cable. 

[Oh Mah]

never good to take what don't belong to you that's for sure,I wouldn't hang a carcass on a tree either but that's just my op.There is no time frame around a bait station by the way so the intent to bait for any future bear hunt could potentially be an illegal one. 

[bobcat]

Geez, some are sure critical of something I've done many times. No I haven't used a cable to secure the bait but I think that's a good idea. It's not illegal to set up a bait for trail cam photos of predators. It's a lot of fun seeing what might visit. And being that it was over the winter, bears aren't the likely target.

[emac]

Its not illegal to bait for cougars.

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[Jpmiller]

I've seen lots of trash piles left in the woods or bits of random garbage scattered in the woods. I've never seen anyone litter and then secure it to keep it from being moved or removed. I don't get the they thought it was litter argument. Extrapolating from that any trail camera is potentially litter and fair game for removal from the woods. Every truck parked at a turnoff should be towed out of the public forest. I don't like this argument.

[Timberstalker]

And we wonder why people stop posting on this site..................................................................................................

[cougforester]

And we wonder why people stop posting on this site..................................................................................................

No kidding.

[hunter399]

I will say it's not right to take someone's stuff that's left in the woods. But on the other hand anytime you put stuff in the woods you have to expect that someone may find it .So I wouldn't get upset to much ,if it's something you can't afford to lose then keep it at home.Its kinda a risk-reward thing with game cams and the amount of d-bags out in the woods theses days.

[92xj]

How did the cable get off the tree? I'm assuming it was wrapped around the tree a few times and locked. Ribs were pulled and eaten on and fell to the ground but wouldn't the cable still be locked around the tree? I can't see the video right now to check my memory.
How did they get it from around the tree? Cut/chopped?
Or did they walk away with a perfectly good uncut cable they found laying on the ground not around the tree?

[bobcat]

I was wondering the same thing. How he was able to get the cable off the tree. 

[yakimanoob]

I've seen lots of trash piles left in the woods or bits of random garbage scattered in the woods. I've never seen anyone litter and then secure it to keep it from being moved or removed. I don't get the they thought it was litter argument. Extrapolating from that any trail camera is potentially litter and fair game for removal from the woods. Every truck parked at a turnoff should be towed out of the public forest. I don't like this argument.

My thoughts exactly...

I will say it's not right to take someone's stuff that's left in the woods. But on the other hand anytime you put stuff in the woods you have to expect that someone may find it .So I wouldn't get upset to much ,if it's something you can't afford to lose then keep it at home.Its kinda a risk-reward thing with game cams and the amount of d-bags out in the woods theses days.

Fair point about the risk/reward, but I'm also of the mindset that not reporting a crime simply encourages and enables crime.  It's a $30 cable if I remember right; and it's not like I want them to be in jail.  I want my stuff back on principle, and I don't hate the idea of the police knocking on their door to teach them a lesson  .  But seriously, if they return the cable it's no harm no faul.