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Offline MichaelJ

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2009, 12:23:10 PM »

MichealJ
I'm glad you feel all warm and fuzzy because I don't, of course I have been dealing with them for 40 years.
Anytime you base management on lottery style revenue the animals will suffer.  :twocents:

Insidewdfw,
There are very good people inside the wdfw that deserve better.

Big surprise, more opinion and personal biasedness...   :rolleyes:

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2009, 08:09:46 PM »
Reply to insdewdfw comment to prove my statement on the wdfw looking to buy a 3 or 4 million dollar boat, you might ask suzan yeager she takes the minutes of all commission meetings.These statements were made at the ellsburg meeting on march 6 by the interm director phil anderson.Thanks B Barnes.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2009, 08:14:28 PM »
Reply to insdewdfw comment to prove my statement on the wdfw looking to buy a 3 or 4 million dollar boat, you might ask suzan yeager she takes the minutes of all commission meetings.These statements were made at the ellsburg meeting on march 6 by the interm director phil anderson.Thanks B Barnes.

That doesn't prove a thing.




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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2009, 08:59:56 PM »
Wow, lots of strong opinions! 

I have never been a huge fan of WDFW, but I do appreciate InsideWDFW insight into what is going on internally. Whether you agree or disagree - it is a person that is reading, participating, and giving feedback.  Hate to see anyone kill the messenger. 

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2009, 09:07:44 PM »
The proof is in the meeting minutes and the point was, if we are laying off employees why are we thinking about  expensive toys.Its like saying i need a new pair of shoes but i don't need a 300 dollar pair of Nike's.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2009, 09:48:52 PM »
The proof is in the meeting minutes and the point was, if we are laying off employees why are we thinking about  expensive toys.Its like saying i need a new pair of shoes but i don't need a 300 dollar pair of Nike's.

Just speculation here..........maybe this boat money is from some kind of grant, that has stipulations on the spending of it...maybe some of those stipulations are it be spent on equipment and not salaries....
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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2009, 10:43:29 PM »
and maybe this grant is paid by public agencies outside of WDFW, and maybe if this grant doesn't go towards a rescue tug, this grant doesn't exsist?  If this is true, shouldn't this be considered a freebie that only happens if you accept it?
Disclaimer:  These are not the views of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.  These are the thoughts of one person written off the clock who formally worked for WDFW.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2009, 04:01:26 PM »
The reason they are buying these toys is because they were in the budget. I'm watching this in the WDFW and Parks currently. The Parks department is spending $400,000. for a new bathroom in a park that will be closed next year even before the shortfall in budget. :bash: Just because it would take to long to put the money towards something else. I have to get permission to spend $9.00 to fix a critical piece of equipment and waited four hours >:(   :bash:  

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2009, 07:35:35 PM »
Seems crazy does'nt it.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2009, 01:14:48 AM »
I'm torn here.....what do we stand to lose?
I would support the wdfw if we would have a voice but up to this point I haven't seen it.
Creating a lottery system for hunters hasn't done the game or hunters justice at all. Elk are dying of starvation in the st. Helen's area due to lack of management, why? to create a lottery system based on revenue vs. management.

Buckrub, we have everything to lose.  I have to wonder if you have ever gone to a meeting and testified.   Whether you belong to HHC or not, you have a lobbyist trying to include your voice with his, but he does not support your activites.  He has sold you out and sportfishermen by dividing you, without your input.   It appears there will be some type of lottery game to help finance the Department.

How can hunting survive with very little opportunity for youth?
Has the well paid commission (100+k yr.) really done the job?

Where the hell did you get that info.  They are paid about 100 dollars for each meeting plus travel expenses.  It amounts to less than 10K per commissioner per year.   As far as the youth goes, you cant make everyone hunt or fish.  You have competition from golfing and other sports. 

We could have the best hunting in the west but lottery style management compounded with habitat expenditures trying to sustain overpopulated pet areas for the dept. is destroying our net worth. I think most hunters would pay for good management.

We have 6 commissioners now that have hunting experience and have the degrees in a variety of areas to back up, their expertise.  These people were appointed by at least one governor.    We dont have a full commission because noone is demanding it from our legislators.  That is three people who cannot contribute to the Commission or the Dept.
If they gut the commission, the department will not hire and pay professionals to do the leg work.

How much do we have to pay to have a voice?
How many letters, emails and meetings do we have to commit to?

I will pay for common sense management creating opportunity for all hunters especially the youth!

If you want quality hunting for all go to five/ six / seven point or better elk...whatever. manage the herd with hunting days not permits.
Why do we have three point restriction on mule deer? (good mangement)
Why is west side elk different than east side?
NO BS about more cover for eastside...OK, less cover less hunting days with mandatory reporting and GOOD escapement figures to manage properly.
Quality for all not just the lucky few who 10 friggin years of not drawing a permit then having a 35% success rate...what a joke.

OK..my rant  :bash: is over...how many emails and where do you want them to go?

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2009, 01:44:41 AM »
the wdfw SUCKS what do they do for us. Not a damn thing :bash: if you wanna see management look at the odfw :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: the wdfw needs to be schooled by the odfw.

You appear to be speaking about hunting.  The Oregon Commission is lock stock and barrel, paid for by the commercial fishermen.  One of the Commissioner owns a business that supplies Commercial fishermen.   If thats the rule of thumb, lets appoint Gary Loomis (He wont) and other folks from Joes, Sportsmens Warehouse and a couple boat builders.  At least our commissioners are focusing on preserving the resource rather than harvesting all of it as soon as possilbe.  If the depts dont use the science, it doesnt matter who is running it.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2009, 06:14:21 AM »

the wdfw SUCKS what do they do for us. Not a damn thing :bash: if you wanna see management look at the odfw :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: the wdfw needs to be schooled by the odfw.


If you read the Oregon boards you will see that the hunters there don't like their system much either. They want ODFW to  be modeled after other states.




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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2009, 07:56:40 AM »
In reading all these post not just this one, but all and everything everyone has to say,one things is for sure .There's not enough people that are willing to take the time to get involved and show up to meeting's,rally's,commission meeting's or write letter's or make a few phone calls.Until the sportsman unite and show law makers that we have a genuine concern,not in profiting from fish and wildlife,but in conserving the resource,were all screwed.One way is turn off your computer off because if you have  hours to waste on the chat line or posting, you have time to show up and make the difference.I encourage you to send certified letters to anyone one you have a concern with,WDFW or whoever it may be.This way you have a receipt that they received it, and they just don't hit the delete button.I think we can all agree on one thing,that most things are OK in moderation,but the overharvest of our resource's isn't.Thank's BBarnes keeping our public lands public.

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Re: WDFW needs your help.
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2009, 09:33:11 AM »
How much money is wdfw spwnding on wolf playtime for scott fitkin?

Might be a good place to make some cuts.
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