Wolves tree DNR worker in Okanogan county

[DeerHarvester]

Deerharvester...........why do you even huntwa anymore....

Great question


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[O. hemionus]

I think the public should be informed of any and all wolf attacks in Washington. The WDFW, USFWS, DNR etc work for us. They report on every coyote sighting in Seattle and call out the SWAT teams and plaster it all over the news,,,,,,

Also @wolfbait

WDFW is mandated to report dangerous wildlife incidents (involving cougar, grizzly bear, and wolves). Maps and summaries, with stars for incidents in the past year. The whole nine yards at your fingertips! Now don't get too worked up yet just because this recent incident isn't uploaded on the site. I'm guessing it would be on there soon once all the facts and stories get straightened out.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/index.php

[Miles]

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[bigtex]

Sheriff Rogers (and others) has also deputized USFS and DNR LEOs in his county giving them countywide authority instead of authority just on their agency lands.

It's amazing how many sheriffs portray themselves as "anti-fed" yet work with the feds all the time, including even deputizing them. Sheriff's are politicians, they know what they need to say to get elected.

Not entirely true. Only one USFS LEO is cross commissioned in Okanogan County. This is so USFS can handle incidents on Forrest service campgrounds and such. NO DNR employees are commissioned under sheriff Rogers.


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Not according to DNR. According to DNR their LEOs are deputized in Okanogan. And I was provided with the MOU.

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[bigtex]

Lets focus on the discrepancies  that are plausible, known and provable.

Bigtex stated that the usfs wouldn't be doing salmon survey work, NOAA would.  One of the rescue crew in the chopper said there was a  directional antenna.  The lady is said to work for USFS from Utah, and the WDFW tried to cancel the help rescue.



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I didn't say USFS wouldn't be doing salmon survey work. I said USFWS wouldn't be doing it. USFS has biologists for fish/wildlife on their lands, just like other agencies.

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[wolfbait]

I think the public should be informed of any and all wolf attacks in Washington. The WDFW, USFWS, DNR etc work for us. They report on every coyote sighting in Seattle and call out the SWAT teams and plaster it all over the news,,,,,,

Also @wolfbait

WDFW is mandated to report dangerous wildlife incidents (involving cougar, grizzly bear, and wolves). Maps and summaries, with stars for incidents in the past year. The whole nine yards at your fingertips! Now don't get too worked up yet just because this recent incident isn't uploaded on the site. I'm guessing it would be on there soon once all the facts and stories get straightened out.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/living/dangerous/reports/index.php

Yep, I have watched their reporting in the past, funny how lacking it is, like there wolf count.

[Special T]

Lets focus on the discrepancies  that are plausible, known and provable.

Bigtex stated that the usfs wouldn't be doing salmon survey work, NOAA would.  One of the rescue crew in the chopper said there was a  directional antenna.  The lady is said to work for USFS from Utah, and the WDFW tried to cancel the help rescue.



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I didn't say USFS wouldn't be doing salmon survey work. I said USFWS wouldn't be doing it. USFS has biologists for fish/wildlife on their lands, just like other agencies.

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I'm sorry your response confuses me.can you restate?

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[pianoman9701]

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[bigtex]

Lets focus on the discrepancies  that are plausible, known and provable.

Bigtex stated that the usfs wouldn't be doing salmon survey work, NOAA would.  One of the rescue crew in the chopper said there was a  directional antenna.  The lady is said to work for USFS from Utah, and the WDFW tried to cancel the help rescue.



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I didn't say USFS wouldn't be doing salmon survey work. I said USFWS wouldn't be doing it. USFS has biologists for fish/wildlife on their lands, just like other agencies.

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I'm sorry your response confuses me.can you restate?

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US Fish & Wildlife (USFWS) wouldn't be doing a salmon survey, especially in that area.

NOAA would do a salmon survey since they are the federal managers of salmon.

US Forest Service (USFS) has fisheries biologists and could be doing salmon surveys (or surveys for anything) on the rivers/creeeks/lakes that are in National Forests.

The individual who was airlifted was a USFS employee.

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[wolfbait]

Wolfbait, is there an article or a news release you can source where WDFW ever said that wolves are timid and don’t pose a potential danger to humans? They’re cute and cuddly like little  golden labradoodles? Please provide this source if it exists.

Wolves are shy by nature and avoid contact with humans

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/wolves_in_washington.html


Wild wolves generally fear and avoid people, rarely posing a threat to human safety.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/humans_pets.html



It's not a wonder that so many people think wolves don't pose any threat, if WDFW would have been honest and reported on the many wolf/human attacks etc. they would have to change their story, and the public would be educated enough to know that wolves do attack/stalk people.

Due to the introduction of wolves in WA and WDFW protecting cougars, life is completely different in the woods than when I grew up, and some day, I hate to say, a wolf attack won't come out with the wolves being driven off.

WDFW should be honest and educate the public as to the dangers of wolves, not continue with the line that wolves are shy and avoid people.

This little discussion we are having isn't about lackies for WDFW or hippies from the westside, it is about WDFW refusing to "honestly" report ALL wolf/human wolf attacks and all the people that believe wolves are shy and avoid humans.

It's a common sense issue jack, it's not about you being the poor picked-on victim.

[idahohuntr]

Wolfbait, is there an article or a news release you can source where WDFW ever said that wolves are timid and don’t pose a potential danger to humans? They’re cute and cuddly like little  golden labradoodles? Please provide this source if it exists.

Wolves are shy by nature and avoid contact with humans

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/wolves_in_washington.html


Wild wolves generally fear and avoid people, rarely posing a threat to human safety.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/humans_pets.html



It's not a wonder that so many people think wolves don't pose any threat, if WDFW would have been honest and reported on the many wolf/human attacks etc. they would have to change their story, and the public would be educated enough to know that wolves do attack/stalk people.

Due to the introduction of wolves in WA and WDFW protecting cougars, life is completely different in the woods than when I grew up, and some day, I hate to say, a wolf attack won't come out with the wolves being driven off.

WDFW should be honest and educate the public as to the dangers of wolves, not continue with the line that wolves are shy and avoid people.

This little discussion we are having isn't about lackies for WDFW or hippies from the westside, it is about WDFW refusing to "honestly" report ALL wolf/human wolf attacks and all the people that believe wolves are shy and avoid humans.

It's a common sense issue jack, it's not about you being the poor picked-on victim.

Neither of the statements you provided is false.  In fact, to anyone with real world experience in wolf country they are spot on.  Wolves generally avoid people and rarely pose a threat to human safety.  This goes for many other predators such as bears and cougars.  However, any of those animals are more than capable of easily killing a human in the blink of an eye. 

With respect to wolves, in nearly 25 years since re-introduction into Idaho and a population that exploded...there have been no human fatalities.  Not saying it can't happen, but lets be realistic here...the honesty needs to work both ways, including from people like you who simply drum up false fear to push an agenda.

[hunter399]

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+1 ridiculous mark maybe a under statement,
She must be a skinny cougar to be climbing trees.

[jackelope]

Going back in history, the threats to human safety are pretty rare, wolfbait.

I don't disagree that the woods are different these days. There are definitely predator issues and more potential for predator/people issues... I don't agree that any of those articles say that wolves aren't potentially dangerous to people. I read that as saying generally they are shy and avoid people. I believe that generally that is accurate. Could just be the way I'm reading into it versus the way you're reading into it.

[pianoman9701]

Going back in history, the threats to human safety are pretty rare, wolfbait.

I don't disagree that the woods are different these days. There are definitely predator issues and more potential for predator/people issues... I don't agree that any of those articles say that wolves aren't potentially dangerous to people. I read that as saying generally they are shy and avoid people. I believe that generally that is accurate. Could just be the way I'm reading into it versus the way you're reading into it.

Wolf attacks in the US are rare because we killed them when we saw them. They learned to fear us and stayed out of our way and range. We've always been armed and we've always killed wolves. That's not true anymore. In states where they're protected, they have no reason to fear humans. If you read about wolves that aren't threatened by the local residents, attacks are not only not rare but common. Russia has a lengthy history of disarmed citizens who need the government to come in every couple of decades to clear them out from small villages that are threatened and their residents attacked. Iran, Scandinavia, and Kazakhstan have similar cycles and many wolf attacks on record. The state of WA is being irresponsible. They've eliminated any fear these wolves have of people by continuing to protect them, even while their population has grown far beyond the need. At the same time, they continue to push the narrative that wolves avoid people and aren't a threat. It's not true and incidents like this one will increase...and I guarantee that sooner or later, people will be attacked and killed. The information is out there if you're interested in having it.

[nwwanderer]

Certainly rare and definitely probable. Any missing persons in NE WA.  Most of wolf take is never seen.  Be careful out their.