Get ready for Washington State hunting licenses to skyrocket!!!!

[Oh Mah]

agreed will you agree that the ones that pay the most(outdoors men) have the least amount of say in the matters of outdoors in this state?

[Stein]

Here's how you end the pissing match over what boils down to deciphering the proper use of the English language between you two.

Every tax paying citizen in WA funds WDFW, some pay more (outdoorsmen) and some pay less (those that dont contribute to PR or licenses.) But in the end, everyone pays for it.

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You said two things:

1.  Every tax paying citizen funds WDFW
2.  Everyone pays for it

So, those that don't pay tax don't pay.  Additionally, if 90% of the population pays 15% of the cost....

On the first part, there are non tax paying people floating initiatives that pass and must be funded by WDFW.  There are also the couch-surfers and New Yorkers that feel they have a voice on what happens in this state (including at least one from a fenced ranch in MT that sells tags to the highest bidder).  On the second part, the parable of 12:42 comes to mind.

Maybe we can agree that hunters and fisherman are a small minority and contribute somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-90% of WDWF's budget.  Count not even everything, just license fees, tags, PR and DJ fees that make their way to WA.  Don't even count RMEF, DU or any other organization that picks up the pieces.  Probably 10% of us contribute 90%.

[Special T]

Name a hunting and fishing group that is doing enough and i'll join it.Problem is none of them are doing what needs to be done at a state level.some are at a federal level but still not enough

Sportsmen's Alliance I think is pretty good.

So far from my first hand experience I would say SCI if you were to join one and had no other affiliation you belonged to. Or the Washington for Wildlife Conservation. You can join as an individual or as an organization. The WWC solely focuses on state hunting issues. I don't know all the member orga but a short list are several different SCI chapters, the Inland Empire Sportmen, Washington State Trappers association, I believe a Mule deer Foundation Chapter, Washington Waterfowl Association, Washington State Archery Association, and possibly a Sheep foundation chapter. Pretty sure the number they represent to the Department and legislature is 60K Washington sportsmen.

I don't know first hand, but the Coastal Conservation Association  is a collection of fishermen orgs  but they cover all coastal states for fishing. 2c

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[Special T]

Complaining doesn't help?I beg to differ.That;s exactly how the antis have gotten as far as they have.If you think the inner city groups that are doing a lot of damage are donating you are very wrong.These groups that keep being brought up have money interest pure and simple,It's never enough.Always we need more more more.What we need is to unite as sportsman and women and form a union.I believe this is the only way. 

My opinion on this matter has changed some what over the last year as I've tried to dive into this.
All of the anti groups have paid staff. This goes a Loong way in organizing events and showing up to WDFW meetings. CNW, DoL, wolf haven international and others regularly show up. Same faces, all the time. Guess who only shows up when angry? Sportsmen groups.

I have had a bitter taste for national hunting orgs, so I have preferred local and state orgs.  Here is the Rub as I see it between national and State orgs. National orgs like SCI, RMEF, DU, MDF, NRA have paid staff. Granted it is for the whole nation but it supplies consistancy. That consistancy buys experience of political navigation, and situational experience because many states have similar issues. Those issues teach lessons that can be taken advantage of.  Local Orgs  put it all back locally and have a higher vested interest in putting in their all... local on the ground Intel and experience.



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[Bob33]

There are three primary types of groups in this fight: firearms rights, hunting rights, and habitat preservation.

I support groups in each category.

If you are looking for the perfect group it doesn't exist. All have flaws which can be seen from the sideline, and even more so when actively involved.

Supporting them does matter.

[Special T]

There are three primary types of groups in this fight: firearms rights, hunting rights, and habitat preservation. They all matter.

I support groups in each category.

If you are looking for the perfect group it doesn't exist. All have flaws which can be seen from the sideline, and even more so when actively involved.

Supporting them does matter.

I concur Bob33 I was just trying to address OhMah concerns because I have felt the same way in the past.

I belong to the best Archery club in the state, Silver Arrow Bowmen (shameless plug) I've decided to help via an organization I already belonged to.

If your a Clubless, rangeless sportsmen join one, damned near anyone and put some time in.

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