Letter written by a wa rancher

[tracksoup]

 

[blackveltbowhunter]

  Agreed.   The letter does read like a liberal would write, but I think the intent was to attempt to convey the message in way others of a different mindset would understand. I can appreciate the attempt

  I grew up with cattle even as a young adult one of my saddest memories was of a grown cow having complications post delivery. I had raised her from a bottle and it was her second or third calf. She recovered but was high risk for breeding. From a working/monetary standpoint she was food. Its a difficult bond to explain. I didn't feel like I owed her or needed to  be there when she died like a good dog, and I knew she would fetch more per pound so it made sense to butcher and use or sell meat.  But I sold her at a loss to avoid killing her myself.

  Humanizing animals is different than being honest about attachment/emotion. IMO
 

[Special T]

It is a mistake for cattlemen or hunters to anthropomorphize cows or wildlife.  We all lose when we use tactics out of the animal rights playbook. 

He says "in human terms, she would have been a 5 or 6 year old girl-halfway between birth and puberty, with-hopefully-her whole life ahead of her"...so that's bad that the wolf killed her so young and he wants to tug at those emotions...then how does he explain when this calf becomes older, is loaded into a truck hauled somewhere, shot in the head and butchered to be sold off at market? 

To be fair...I bristle when I hear hunters who oppose late season cow hunts by attacking wildlife agencies with "you're killing pregnant elk".

So using an emotional appeal is wrong. Why is that?
Have the facts been persuasive for those that have no understanding of the situation? Is the whole debate about wolves a well reasoned and honest debate?

Six and emotion not only sells it has a greater chance of call to action. That is why the Anti hunter crowd  uses it, and why we should use it as well.

Saul Alinski rules for radicals
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

Of course the Antis wouldn't like us to use emotion... because we have  tried to argue facts to an emotional crowd...

How many of you are brave enough to claim you win most of your arguments with your wife?

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[Mudman]

   A wise man once said "Listen to T!".

[idahohuntr]

It is a mistake for cattlemen or hunters to anthropomorphize cows or wildlife.  We all lose when we use tactics out of the animal rights playbook. 

He says "in human terms, she would have been a 5 or 6 year old girl-halfway between birth and puberty, with-hopefully-her whole life ahead of her"...so that's bad that the wolf killed her so young and he wants to tug at those emotions...then how does he explain when this calf becomes older, is loaded into a truck hauled somewhere, shot in the head and butchered to be sold off at market? 

To be fair...I bristle when I hear hunters who oppose late season cow hunts by attacking wildlife agencies with "you're killing pregnant elk".

So using an emotional appeal is wrong. Why is that?
Have the facts been persuasive for those that have no understanding of the situation? Is the whole debate about wolves a well reasoned and honest debate?

Six and emotion not only sells it has a greater chance of call to action. That is why the Anti hunter crowd  uses it, and why we should use it as well.

Saul Alinski rules for radicals
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

Of course the Antis wouldn't like us to use emotion... because we have  tried to argue facts to an emotional crowd...

How many of you are brave enough to claim you win most of your arguments with your wife?

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Where did I say emotional appeal is wrong? I said don't humanize cattle or wildlife.  Why do I say not to humanize them...because that perpetuates the Disney story myth that non-hunters will get duped into so the antis can more successfully vote away our hunting opportunities.  Don't play checkers in a game of chess. 

[Mudman]

But they are playing checkers, AND WINNING!!

[2MANY]

People here argue with their wife???

Kinda reminds me of the saying, "Sticken it to the Man".

[Special T]

People here argue with their wife???

Kinda reminds me of the saying, "Sticken it to the Man".

I personally  refrain... because any married man knows even when you win, you loose...

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[Special T]

It is a mistake for cattlemen or hunters to anthropomorphize cows or wildlife.  We all lose when we use tactics out of the animal rights playbook. 

He says "in human terms, she would have been a 5 or 6 year old girl-halfway between birth and puberty, with-hopefully-her whole life ahead of her"...so that's bad that the wolf killed her so young and he wants to tug at those emotions...then how does he explain when this calf becomes older, is loaded into a truck hauled somewhere, shot in the head and butchered to be sold off at market? 

To be fair...I bristle when I hear hunters who oppose late season cow hunts by attacking wildlife agencies with "you're killing pregnant elk".

So using an emotional appeal is wrong. Why is that?
Have the facts been persuasive for those that have no understanding of the situation? Is the whole debate about wolves a well reasoned and honest debate?

Six and emotion not only sells it has a greater chance of call to action. That is why the Anti hunter crowd  uses it, and why we should use it as well.

Saul Alinski rules for radicals
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

Of course the Antis wouldn't like us to use emotion... because we have  tried to argue facts to an emotional crowd...

How many of you are brave enough to claim you win most of your arguments with your wife?

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Where did I say emotional appeal is wrong? I said don't humanize cattle or wildlife.  Why do I say not to humanize them...because that perpetuates the Disney story myth that non-hunters will get duped into so the antis can more successfully vote away our hunting opportunities.  Don't play checkers in a game of chess. 

Part of the reason why we fail is because we reason and sell to our own level of understanding.  It's a natural failing of most people on nearly any topic.

Clearly what we have been doing isnt working.  The general public only reacts when they can see how it impacts themselves.  Many people have the Disney view of animals. Perhaps the way to shake them up is by showing how horrible it actually is by making them see both sides of "nature". Nature is more cruel than most realize...

Is it possible  the writer could have had a better pitch? Sure. But what is most important is we quit selling to ourselves and sell to the ignorant public... a sales job that is working for the antis but not for us...  we should adopt many of thier strategies.

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[Mudman]

Tear jerking stories of wolves evil carnage.  Pics of animals including Fido and Alleycat and horses/cows etc. should flood billboards.  Commercials.  Warnings of zoonotic diseased people etc.  Moose/Caribou extinction.  Do this and the public view would change very quickly!  It works, its their game, its only way to defeat em imop!       Every person with a Facebook should act this way.  Sorry I cant do fadbook….

[ribka]

That I don’t understand.  Where I live ranchers are not hated but I do see and hear a lot of dislike on the web.

Should have more specific. Read any article about wolves and ranchers in the Seattle times, Portland news, Washington post, ny times etc and see how urban dwellers view ranchers and cattle . Very negative

[jasnt]

That I don’t understand.  Where I live ranchers are not hated but I do see and hear a lot of dislike on the web.

Should have more specific. Read any article about wolves and ranchers in the Seattle times, Portland news, Washington post, ny times etc and see how urban dwellers view ranchers and cattle . Very negative

just like logging, I think(puts on tin foil hat  ) the less people that care about public land the sooner they can sell it off.  Plenty of powerful people would benefit from the selling of public lands, so they push agendas that will help their end goals.  If you can’t hunt public land, if you can’t log public land, if you can’t graze public land, if you can’t rv public land, if you can’t recreate public land.....then who cares if it gets sold, after all its to expensive to maintain.  We all need to stick together in the public land fight,even those users that interfere with our interests at times.  Jmo on the matter. I’ve seen a lot of anti everything I listed above

[Tbar]

It is a mistake for cattlemen or hunters to anthropomorphize cows or wildlife.  We all lose when we use tactics out of the animal rights playbook. 

He says "in human terms, she would have been a 5 or 6 year old girl-halfway between birth and puberty, with-hopefully-her whole life ahead of her"...so that's bad that the wolf killed her so young and he wants to tug at those emotions...then how does he explain when this calf becomes older, is loaded into a truck hauled somewhere, shot in the head and butchered to be sold off at market? 

To be fair...I bristle when I hear hunters who oppose late season cow hunts by attacking wildlife agencies with "you're killing pregnant elk".

So using an emotional appeal is wrong. Why is that?
Have the facts been persuasive for those that have no understanding of the situation? Is the whole debate about wolves a well reasoned and honest debate?

Six and emotion not only sells it has a greater chance of call to action. That is why the Anti hunter crowd  uses it, and why we should use it as well.

Saul Alinski rules for radicals
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

Of course the Antis wouldn't like us to use emotion... because we have  tried to argue facts to an emotional crowd...

How many of you are brave enough to claim you win most of your arguments with your wife?

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Where did I say emotional appeal is wrong? I said don't humanize cattle or wildlife.  Why do I say not to humanize them...because that perpetuates the Disney story myth that non-hunters will get duped into so the antis can more successfully vote away our hunting opportunities.  Don't play checkers in a game of chess. 

I completely agree with Idaho on this.

[bigmacc]

Tear jerking stories of wolves evil carnage.  Pics of animals including Fido and Alleycat and horses/cows etc. should flood billboards.  Commercials.  Warnings of zoonotic diseased people etc.  Moose/Caribou extinction.  Do this and the public view would change very quickly!  It works, its their game, its only way to defeat em imop!       Every person with a Facebook should act this way.  Sorry I cant do fadbook….

Yep ....For every picture of a wolf with its foot caught in a trap or wolf pups looking for their mom(but she can't be found because she was shot ) etc. etc. All of those "to the heart" ads that the antis use to get attention and sympathy for their cause should be countered, because it works, period. Start showing ads or plastering face book with pics of a fawn, a calf elk, cows, horses whatever, that have been attacked and been eaten from the rear end in only to be left still alive while they go find another. I didn't know this until awhile ago but a wolf apparently is the only animal on earth that "thrill kills", the pack will stalk and kill only to leave it dead or near death and move on to repeat over and over, they are teaching the young pack members how to hunt in a pack dynamic, they will kill just to kill. There is a reason these things were being eradicated at one time.

[wolfbait]

Tear jerking stories of wolves evil carnage.  Pics of animals including Fido and Alleycat and horses/cows etc. should flood billboards.  Commercials.  Warnings of zoonotic diseased people etc.  Moose/Caribou extinction.  Do this and the public view would change very quickly!  It works, its their game, its only way to defeat em imop!       Every person with a Facebook should act this way.  Sorry I cant do fadbook….

Yep ....For every picture of a wolf with its foot caught in a trap or wolf pups looking for their mom(but she can't be found because she was shot ) etc. etc. All of those "to the heart" ads that the antis use to get attention and sympathy for their cause should be countered, because it works, period. Start showing ads or plastering face book with pics of a fawn, a calf elk, cows, horses whatever, that have been attacked and been eaten from the rear end in only to be left still alive while they go find another. I didn't know this until awhile ago but a wolf apparently is the only animal on earth that "thrill kills", the pack will stalk and kill only to leave it dead or near death and move on to repeat over and over, they are teaching the young pack members how to hunt in a pack dynamic, they will kill just to kill. There is a reason these things were being eradicated at one time.

 

The problem is the USFWS their fake environmental pardoners brain-washed a generation plus, and WDFW etc. continue the same line of BS.

Posting photos of mass killings by wolves where they kill just to kill, or cows etc. with the calves ripped out and eaten the cow left alive to suffer, moose etc. that die a horrible slow death as wolves eat on them sometimes for days, it's an ugly sight. But it is what wolves do, there's nothing pretty about wolves and and how they kill. The pro-wolf side doesn't like these kind of pictures revealed to the public, it counters their sold image of wolves.

Many of the ranchers that are losing to wolves have lived their whole lives with their stock, caring for them year after year, they have a lifetime connection, and it hurts them to the core to watch a fake endangered wolf killing their stock, angers them that a corrupt USFWS and WDFW has overall say as to the outcome.

There are not near as many reports of wolf/livestock conflicts anymore, people have learned it only cost them money to contact WDFW, and wolf recipes are silent and cheap.