Author Topic: Eastmans... Guy Eastmans CO Buck... (Read 11568 times)

MichaelJ · « **on:** March 16, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »

Saw an Eastmans hunting journal TV flick today... I think it was Guy who was the hunter, and he was hunting Colorado and was hunting velvet bucks with a modern rifle. He passed on a 3 year old "170" buck (*censored*... buck would've scored MAYBE 155"), then ended up taking a Nice 4x4 with eyeguards but had SUPER short mainbeams and the fronts were so crab clawed it may as well of been a 3x3 with eyeguards... A super buck but I didn't see the thing scoring much pass 170 (maybe 20" inside spread, but nice and tall). He never said a score but said if he would've had it mounted without the velvet it would've made B&C. I highly doubt the thing would've made it P&Y much less B&C...

I'm just curious if this guy always blows the scores WAY out of the water...

A cool show to watch just cause you don't see much muley hunting on TV but damn the smoke that was blowing out of this guys mouth was making the room hazy!

Michael

C-Money · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:11:09 PM »

I use to really like the Eastmens show and magazines, but they just act to big headed for me any more. I still watch the show, but it just is not the same as it was 10 years ago! No more mag subscription for me!

Cougeyes · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:12:04 PM »

Watched the same episode, they sure do look a lot bigger in velvet though. I can't jude scores worth sh*t. Yeah he said that buck would probably go 190 or something and 188 without velvet i believe is what he said, maybe i have those mixed up. I heard him say probably a book buck if he stripped the velvet though. The buck he did take had nice back forks but not wide, but tall, and yes shorter front forks. I'd take him forsure though.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:17:25 PM »

Quote from: Cougeyes on March 16, 2009, 09:12:04 PM

Watched the same episode, they sure do look a lot bigger in velvet though. I can't jude scores worth sh*t. Yeah he said that buck would probably go 190 or something and 188 without velvet i believe is what he said, maybe i have those mixed up. I heard him say probably a book buck if he stripped the velvet though. The buck he did take had nice back forks but not wide, but tall, and yes shorter front forks. I'd take him forsure though.

Same episode... I'm pretty decent a judging bucks from what I've seen by guessing on here of bucks guys post...
I'd shoot that buck for sure as well but it takes more than good back forks to make book! The buck had SUPER short mains and his 4th points on his fronts were maybe 4" long... Great backs, but with even a generous 23" inside spread he'd never make book...

And that 3 year old buck he passed on was WAY inside his ears and MAYBE 20" tall... great genetics but a real young deer and no way he'd go past 160" imho... He'd get close, but I don't believe that score of 170" at all.

Michael

huntnphool · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:26:38 PM »

Going to watch it right now

MichaelJ · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:33:43 PM »

Let me know what you think phool. You have better experience than me in this... But I'm pretty sure that ain't no book buck!

Michael

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:34:38 PM »

I have heard this criticism of Guy Eastman before (overblowing scores). I have never seen his show, but I get the Mag and really enjoy it. I guess I would be apt to be more critical of him if I killed deer as big as he does...

I'll be interested to see what Phool says..

huntnphool · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2009, 11:18:49 PM »

Well I zipped through all the commercials, love DVR's, and have to say Guy tagged himself a pretty nice buck, I would love to get the scoop from Charlie or Michelle, or any of the other taxi's on here as to the "velvet kit" he said he brought with him. He bathed the rack in some liquid while it was hanging by the feet.

Anyhow, I paused to take a good look at the first buck peeking around the trees. Nice buck, I have to disagree with you though MJ, I really don't think he would hit the 20" mark for height, and put him right at ear width which would put him about 20"-21" since he was a younger buck. I think you are spot on as far as a score goes, 160 gross is what I would have estimated in the field, the velvet makes the tines look a little shorter than what they are and I think a mid 150's net when all is said and done.

The buck he tagged is a super buck even with the short mains, remember it doesn't matter what the fork width is as long as the tines themselves are long. Assuming the velvet mass again is making the tine length look shorter than it really is I would have put that buck in the low 180 class gross maybe 181"-182" and netting in the low 170's. A 23" inside is a stretch, you are right, and even with that I would have a hard time seeing it make 183" let alone 190". Funny thing is I have a buck that is almost a clone of that buck, minus the velvet. They did most of the score estimates in the field while they were shooting the video, I believe that if the buck had truely made book they would have shown him posing with it mounted after he got it home, not just on the wall with nothing to give it scale. All in all my

says you guys are all pretty close in your estimates, maybe we are all way off base

jason4429 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:11:31 PM »

What do you guys think these bucks score?

huntnphool · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:13:42 PM »

Some toads there Jason

whacker1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:19:30 PM »

170
185
190

bowhunterforever · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:29:59 PM »

Those are some awsome bucks jason!

huntnphool · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:35:03 PM »

Top buck 160 gross, second buck 174 gross, bottom buck 170 gross.

Craig · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:36:12 PM »

Are those Wa bucks?

That second buck is Awesome. He looks bigger then the third buck.

bow-n-head · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:40:09 PM »

gross scores 156, 188, 173

cascademountainhunter · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:42:38 PM »

those are some nice bucks right there

Ridgerunner · « **Reply #16 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:52:08 PM »

Score, crap who cares about the score, stud bucks right there, looks like G to me, lets hear some stories on those bad boys, things are too slow on here lately.

Bigshooter · « **Reply #17 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:59:44 PM »

I have not watched the show yet so I can not tell you what I think it would score, but Guy has killed tons of 170+ deer all the way up to a 240+ kansas buck. Plus he has put his hands on tons of 180+ bucks his dad and grandpa have killed. He knows big deer better than any of us will ever know them. If he says close to book I would take him at his word.

Slider · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:08:22 PM »

My thoughts on the Eastman show. The first Buck he passed on was about 163-165 and the one he havested 183-185.

Jason those are some nice Bucks!!! I'll guess 160,183,171 gross. It hard to tell just on a front view.

hornhunter · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:03:27 PM »

Top 149
Middle 178
Bottom 172

Scottystyle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:30:57 PM »

I saw that Eastmans show you guys are talking about, and i dont have much to brag about since ive never got one that big, but i thing the only thing there that is close to book is his ego

but definate shooters fo'sho!!! Nice pictures, i wouldnt mind gettin one half the size of the "smaller" one

jason4429 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2009, 07:20:18 PM »

The top buck is mine he scored 163 gross.161 net
The second buck grossed 181
The third buck scored 169
They are from wyoming.It was a great hunt .We got my deer on video.He was sparring with another buck .Sorry for hijacking

hornhunter · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:27:34 PM »

Region H ?

Sorry I miss judged your Buck so bad. Didnt have the Mass the other bucks had. I think its wider than I thought! Nice better than my Wyoming buck from last year.

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:33:25 PM »

...hmmm think I'm gonna sack up and buy the point in WY this year...

PacificNWhunter · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:30:17 AM »

Nice bucks. Have not seen the Eastmans yet, seem's like they may pad the score somtimes but at the same time I am no expert.

boneaddict · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:48:45 AM »

I had 160, 180 and 170 before I realized you posted already. ALL great bucks. I figured G but

Not a highjack. Much more fun to look at bucks taken by "REAL" people doing "REAL" hunting. They need to quit using their no fences here slogan. I thought it eas good when they started but its getting old now, especially since Cameron is gone. At least he knew how to hunt without an outfitter on private ground.
Try public land hunting during general seasons and see how many of those you take without the aid of a guide.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:59:01 AM »

Quote from: boneaddict on March 18, 2009, 09:48:45 AM

I had 160, 180 and 170 before I realized you posted already. ALL great bucks. I figured G but
Not a highjack. Much more fun to look at bucks taken by "REAL" people doing "REAL" hunting. They need to quit using their no fences here slogan. I thought it eas good when they started but its getting old now, especially since Cameron is gone. At least he knew how to hunt without an outfitter on private ground.
Try public land hunting during general seasons and see how many of those you take without the aid of a guide.

I was thinking the same Bone...

Great bucks Jason! Thanks for posting, get some stories up on those bucks!

And that middle 180 buck of yours, do you have a side picture? Thanks!

Michael

Elkstuffer · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2009, 11:53:21 AM »

Phool, The "Velvet kit" that he refered to consisted of a hypodermic needle/syringe, a paint brush and a bottle of velvet tan. They obviously didn't spend more than 20 seconds on the subject but from what I saw he was doing things the right way. I use the same product and it can be very time consuming. You need to inject the tips with the liquid and force all of the blood out through the base of the antler. It will be finished when the liquid comes out clear. This can take up to an hour sometimes. I then paint a heavy coat of the same liquid onto the outside of the antlers and let it hang upside down for 2-3 days. Then you rinse it off and use a soft bristle brush and light compressed air to fluff the velvet back up.

I recommend that anyone going on an August archery hunt or even early Sept stop by your local taxidermists shop and pick up these supplies. Time is of the essence with soft velvet.

Bearhunter · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:02:42 PM »

You can also use Pmaldehide but is much more dangerous.

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:25:20 PM »

Quote from: Elkstuffer on March 18, 2009, 11:53:21 AM

Phool, The "Velvet kit" that he refered to consisted of a hypodermic needle/syringe, a paint brush and a bottle of velvet tan. They obviously didn't spend more than 20 seconds on the subject but from what I saw he was doing things the right way. I use the same product and it can be very time consuming. You need to inject the tips with the liquid and force all of the blood out through the base of the antler. It will be finished when the liquid comes out clear. This can take up to an hour sometimes. I then paint a heavy coat of the same liquid onto the outside of the antlers and let it hang upside down for 2-3 days. Then you rinse it off and use a soft bristle brush and light compressed air to fluff the velvet back up.

I recommend that anyone going on an August archery hunt or even early Sept stop by your local taxidermists shop and pick up these supplies. Time is of the essence with soft velvet.

Hmmm, I think this marks the 10 millionth thing on this site that falls into the "good to know" category that I didn't know before....

jason4429 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 18, 2009, 03:38:28 PM »

MichealJ. Here is a side view

heavy hauler · « **Reply #31 on:** March 18, 2009, 08:07:16 PM »

thats a cool buck, i dont care about the eastmans. sorry.

boneaddict · « **Reply #32 on:** March 18, 2009, 08:08:31 PM »

NICE...Very NICE

7mag. · « **Reply #33 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:05:12 PM »

Very nice bucks. Congrats. Must be pretty cool taking 3 pigs like that on one trip.

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:07:07 PM »

Those weren't all from one trip, were they?

jason4429 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:51:16 PM »

This is what was taken while i was there. The other two bucks were taken the week after i left .

bowhunterforever · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:22:35 AM »

The buck in pic p10 is a tank!

huntnphool · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2009, 12:24:49 AM »

Quote

Guy has killed tons of 170+ deer all the way up to a 240+ kansas buck. Plus he has put his hands on tons of 180+ bucks his dad and grandpa have killed. He knows big deer better than any of us will ever know them.

You got that right bigshooter.

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:01:00 AM »

I think Wyoming F&G is getting a call from me today. I'll probably just buy the extra point this year, but I am definitely making a trip over there one of these years. Thanks for the pics. Just the motivator I need in March..

PacificNWhunter · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2009, 07:33:54 AM »

Stud buck jason

hornhunter · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2009, 10:36:16 PM »

Quote from: huntnphool on March 19, 2009, 12:24:49 AM

Quote
Guy has killed tons of 170+ deer all the way up to a 240+ kansas buck. Plus he has put his hands on tons of 180+ bucks his dad and grandpa have killed. He knows big deer better than any of us will ever know them.

You got that right bigshooter.

You cant replace experience, and he does have that.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #41 on:** March 20, 2009, 12:50:51 PM »

Quote from: jason4429 on March 18, 2009, 03:38:28 PM

MichealJ. Here is a side view

I think that buck is quite a bit bigger than the one on the show... especially with his fronts, and great backs. SUPER buck!

Just for the record, here's a picture of guy with the buck I'm talking about... its the only picture I could find on the net... but you can see how crabbed his fronts are...

https://www.eastmans.com/shop/image.php?type=P&id=16268

Michael

huntnphool · « **Reply #42 on:** March 20, 2009, 08:51:22 PM »

Quote

its the only picture I could find on the net...

And why do you suppose that is

MichaelJ · « **Reply #43 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:49:36 PM »

Cause its a magazine buck... and they want you to buy the magazine or videos to see 'em...

Michael

huntnphool · « **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2009, 10:51:30 PM »

Could be Michael, I have yet to see it in the magazine either though, I subscribe

Pathfinder101 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 22, 2009, 11:11:00 PM »

Yeah, I just checked in the Feb/Mar issue. It's not there. We just got sent 6 copies of that issue. My boy is on page 66 with his buck. I thought that was pretty good of Eastman's to send us all those extra copies for free. We didn't even ask for them.

MichaelJ · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2009, 07:11:06 PM »

Quote from: Pathfinder101 on March 22, 2009, 11:11:00 PM

Yeah, I just checked in the Feb/Mar issue. It's not there. We just got sent 6 copies of that issue. My boy is on page 66 with his buck. I thought that was pretty good of Eastman's to send us all those extra copies for free. We didn't even ask for them.

That is cool they sent them to you...

Also, the CO buck I'm talking about IS in the magazine... check out pg 70... after seeing one of the pics on that page, I agree, the buck MIGHT go 180" but they sure picked out the best looking photo to make him look bigger... he's not real wide at all but he sure is tall and has got GREAT backs, but his fronts are sure short especially on the left side...

Michael

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