bow sight bottoming out

[SteelheadTed]

I'm a newb to archery this year and got a compound a couple months ago.  So far so good shooting every night but as I've moved back from starting at 10 yards, then 20 and now 30 I've noticed I am going to run out of sight by the time I get to 50.  I've shot back at 50 just to check and I have to sight the target below the ring of my sights.  I have the sights set as low as they can go (the whole group, not just the individual sights).  The 10 yard sight is just above the middle of center ring.

I am shooting a Bowtech Carbon Icon set at 65 pounds.  Any ideas?

[Timberstalker]

Is there a way to raise the sight housing on your sight?  Meaning are there holes that change the location it’s bolted to the main connection?

Otherwise you can move your peep.

[NorseNW]

What site are you running?

I agree with Timberstalker that you just started with the wrong setting.  Should be a way to move the entire group to get a new starting point.

[92xj]

Post a picture of your sight.

[OltHunter]

With all things archery, it can be a house of things outside of what you would expect, like nock set too high, peep too high, or an incorrect anchor point.

Like others mentioned, post a pic, that will help.

Here are a few things to check, assuming you have a 5 or 7 pin setup: 

This is most likely the case, like Timberstalker and NorseNW mentioned, Your 20 yard pin (and all pins) is probably set too low.  Move that pin up and all other pins, then move down your sight housing.  With a lot of pins, that 20 yard pin should probably be closer to the top than the midline. Probably the upper 1/4 of the housing.  All sights now a days have a way to move your entire housing down.

Check nock and arrow relation, you arrow should be around level to a little nock high in the rest and around the midline of your arrow rest holes.  If that is too low, that's going to make your entire sight window lower. 

Peep - Draw your bow, close your eyes, settle in your anchor, get comfortable, then open your eye.  Your peep should be perfectly aligned there, don't try to adjust to your peep.  Adjust your peep as needed. 

Anchor point - If you are shooting thumb release, generally the V between your index and middle finger runs in the middle of your jaw bone.  Finger release probably around the bottom your cheek bone somewhere to jaw.

After all of that, make sure you are not getting contact with the arrow.  You might have to adjust something.

These are just a few things to check out. 

Good luck!  Let us know what you figure out for future reference for anyone.

[pianoman9701]

Sorry, but wouldn't he want to move the entire sight down?

[Crunchy]

Sorry, but wouldn't he want to move the entire sight down?

yes, but I wouldnt move anything until we know that his arrow is square to the string, and level with the berger hole.  Once that is established then yes, move the sight down.

[SteelheadTed]

Thanks for the replies.  I'll post photos tonight.  It is a five pin Black Gold sight.  I have the hole sight assembly set as low was it can go.  I suspect it is related to some of the other issues others have mentioned.   As OltHunter said, I am probably adjusting to my peep, not the other way around.  I remember it not feeling quite right but I adjusted and haven't given it much thought since.

If it is one of the things mentioned above, especially the peep issue, should I adjust this close to the season?  It may not be ideal but I am comfortable shooting the way I am.  I probably won't get comfortable at 50 yards before the season anyway, so my self imposed limit would be 40.

[SteelheadTed]

Sorry, but wouldn't he want to move the entire sight down?

yes, but I wouldnt move anything until we know that his arrow is square to the string, and level with the berger hole.  Once that is established then yes, move the sight down.

My arrow is square to the string so far as I can tell.  I put a speed square on it, not the most accurate thing but it is square.

[demontang]

Could be many things, Tune, peep height would be the first two I would look at.

[Jason]

Not sure what sight you are using? but you may be able to flip the sight bracket over to get the sight housing lower.

[OltHunter]

I have the Black Gold Ascent and you are able to adjust the entire front sight down.  I've attached a screen shot off of what i'm talking about.  I'm not sure if your model has this or not.  But also something to throw in the mix if you are fully maxed out down and everything else seems correct and you have enough clearance to drop the sight more.

Something just doesn't seem right that a housing is maxed out and you still have room, i'll be interested to see the pics.  Try to have one with an arrow nocked at full rest height from the side, and from behind to see your sight.

If it is one of the things mentioned above, especially the peep issue, should I adjust this close to the season?  It may not be ideal but I am comfortable shooting the way I am.  I probably won't get comfortable at 50 yards before the season anyway, so my self imposed limit would be 40.

If you can shoot 4 to 6 inch groups at 40 yards, I'd say revisit this after the season unless you have a lot of time to shoot between now and then.  if you adjust your peep, you might have to adjust your nock, rest, which would then through you down another tune process. 

I personally don't shoot over 45 yards, but that is just me...too many variables and I don't want to increase the chance to wound game.

It's good to practice past out to 60, seems to help those 40 yard groups tighten up.

[SteelheadTed]

Here are a few photos of my setup

[Reidus]

either adjust your knock point rest, height or peep position. If all that is good, you need a bigger sight box or sight with more elevation adjustment.

[4fletch]

I had the same problem with a Mathews Z7 ,I fabricated a 1/8 " aluminum plate to lower the site it worked fine. If u would like a pic pm me your cell or email and I'll send a pic .I don't know how to add a pic to a thread

[Stalkin Prey]

I’m no expert but I would say it could be a couple things- rest height, nock point, peep sight. I only say that based off of my own experience. I bought a new bow this yr and after having it set up by my local shop 2x I was still fighting my pins and things just didn’t feel right, I bottomed out my sight and pins and was still constantly low. I bought a bow vise and some levels and started digging in. I’ve found that my new bow set up as well as my old set up are the most consistent with the bottom of my arrow being centered with the burger hole. As stated I’m no expert, I found myself fighting my form and trying to alter the way I shoot to fit the bow rather than having it tuned correctly. I wasted a lot of time and regret not buying the correct tools in the first place.


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[demontang]

Just from your picture it looks like your rest needs moved up. Your arrow should be running through the holes much higher then it is. Moving the rest up and your nock point to match along with re setting keep heigh will fix the problem

[SteelheadTed]

~sniped~

Draw your bow, close your eyes, settle in your anchor, get comfortable, then open your eye.  Your peep should be perfectly aligned there, don't try to adjust to your peep.  Adjust your peep as needed. 

Thanks to this advice from OltHunter (and others) I found my peep was too low.  I went to the bow shop yesterday to talk things over we brought the peep up (they didn't think anything else needed adjustment), bingo!  Not only do I like shooting it better it helped solve the low sight issue since it too had to come up with the peep. 

After going to the bow shop my daughter and I attended an archery lesson that we had already arranged and I sighted in with the new peep height.  Moving the peep solved more than one issue.  As a result of the peep not being where I was most comfortable I think I was torquing on the bow when I shot because arrows would come off the bow funny sometimes.  Now, they don't do that and I shot the best groups I've shot yet.

The archery lesson was also very helpful, I learned better form, especially when pulling back.  The instructor also suggested an adjustment to my release that made a big difference and eliminated a lot of movement.

I went from fairly discouraged a few days ago at the lack of consistency in my shooting and the low sight issue to very encouraged at the end of the day yesterday.

Thanks folks!

[pianoman9701]

Good to hear!

[Fullabull]

Your sight looks like it's on its lowest mount points also.

[dreadi]

~sniped~

Draw your bow, close your eyes, settle in your anchor, get comfortable, then open your eye.  Your peep should be perfectly aligned there, don't try to adjust to your peep.  Adjust your peep as needed. 

Thanks to this advice from OltHunter (and others) I found my peep was too low.  I went to the bow shop yesterday to talk things over we brought the peep up (they didn't think anything else needed adjustment), bingo!  Not only do I like shooting it better it helped solve the low sight issue since it too had to come up with the peep. 

After going to the bow shop my daughter and I attended an archery lesson that we had already arranged and I sighted in with the new peep height.  Moving the peep solved more than one issue.  As a result of the peep not being where I was most comfortable I think I was torquing on the bow when I shot because arrows would come off the bow funny sometimes.  Now, they don't do that and I shot the best groups I've shot yet.

The archery lesson was also very helpful, I learned better form, especially when pulling back.  The instructor also suggested an adjustment to my release that made a big difference and eliminated a lot of movement.

I went from fairly discouraged a few days ago at the lack of consistency in my shooting and the low sight issue to very encouraged at the end of the day yesterday.

Thanks folks!

Where did you go? I’ve been looking for lessons in our area near Tacoma that would fit our schedule.

[SteelheadTed]

~sniped~

Draw your bow, close your eyes, settle in your anchor, get comfortable, then open your eye.  Your peep should be perfectly aligned there, don't try to adjust to your peep.  Adjust your peep as needed. 

Thanks to this advice from OltHunter (and others) I found my peep was too low.  I went to the bow shop yesterday to talk things over we brought the peep up (they didn't think anything else needed adjustment), bingo!  Not only do I like shooting it better it helped solve the low sight issue since it too had to come up with the peep. 

After going to the bow shop my daughter and I attended an archery lesson that we had already arranged and I sighted in with the new peep height.  Moving the peep solved more than one issue.  As a result of the peep not being where I was most comfortable I think I was torquing on the bow when I shot because arrows would come off the bow funny sometimes.  Now, they don't do that and I shot the best groups I've shot yet.

The archery lesson was also very helpful, I learned better form, especially when pulling back.  The instructor also suggested an adjustment to my release that made a big difference and eliminated a lot of movement.

I went from fairly discouraged a few days ago at the lack of consistency in my shooting and the low sight issue to very encouraged at the end of the day yesterday.

Thanks folks!

Where did you go? I’ve been looking for lessons in our area near Tacoma that would fit our schedule.

A class taught by Kim Patersen at KBH Archers near Belfair.  The adult class is at 7:00pm and is $30.  Kim teaches kids too at earlier times.  I've attached a photo of his flier.

[dreadi]

Dang....weekday. Thank you.