INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW

[Widgeondeke]

    tagging along for some good bedtime reading tonight

[CGDucksandDeer]

What’s CNW’s official statement regarding grizzly season permits just being shut down in Montana and Wyoming? Was CNW involved in the lawsuit that just shutdown the previously approved season??

CNW works strictly in Washington and British Columbia. We have no position on Yellowstone or NCDE delisting or the WY or ID grizzly hunts. Focus on the Northwest is part of what makes us effective.

We are the Washington State Affiliate of the National Wildlife Federation, America's oldest and largest conservation organization and one founded by hunters and anglers. NWF strongly supports grizzly delisting, maybe that helps answer your question... www.nwf.org/en/Latest-News/Press-Releases/2017/6-22-17-Yellowstone-Area-Grizzly-Bears-Ready-for-Delisting

[CGDucksandDeer]

I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.

And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.

Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/

In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.

“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.

Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...

[KFhunter]

A rancher whom I know very well had a CNW range rider, (ranchers words here) "ya, an old hippy looking feller showed up here from Seattle in an old truck, parked at the gate a while then wandered up the road a bit, ain't seen him since".

What good that do?  Other range riders I know are actually family members of the ranch, they ride around mostly checking for crows circling, looking for dead cattle.  Plenty of anecdotal evidence says range riders do not prevent any depredations, can you show me proof they do prevent losses?


 When CNW starts hiring range riders with guns let me know 😉

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[CAMPMEAT]

The Sheriff should start putting his foot down and take back control of their individual county issues. That's his job to fight crime from the wacko, leftist, anti-American wolf lovers. As much money as the WDFW spent on stupid, CNW controlled issues, there could of been a wall built on the Pacific Crest Trail with a big beautiful door on I-90..................to kept CNW outta eastern Washington.

[ghosthunter]

Well one thing needs to be done in this state across all fronts is.

No out of state interference period. There needs to be laws in place to prevent any outside group from interfering with state wildlife plans.


We got along very well in this state with little to no wolves or grizzlies for many years.
And I have seen no evidence that we need large numbers of them now.

We all know what delisting will bring. Nothing. These groups will continue to sue over and over against delisting. It just huge amounts of fuss and money being spent on a animal which no one ever missed.

[KFhunter]

Pretty easy to make a local chapter or division

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[Dale Gribble]

It’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.

I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.

And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.

Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/

In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.

“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.

Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...

[ribka]

X2   

Critical, clear think well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??

Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club Remember when that was noted on your social media???

Crickets

It’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.

I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.

And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.

Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/

In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.

“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.

Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...

[ribka]

X2   

Not smart enough to major in communications when I received my two degrees

Critical, clear thinking  well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??

Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club Remember when that was noted on your social media???

Crickets

It’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.

I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.

And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.

Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/

In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.

“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.

Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...

[wolfbait]

X2   

Not smart enough to major in communications when I received my two degrees

Critical, clear thinking  well educated folks are Still waiting to hear if CNW founder and former ( maybe not though))eco terrorist, Mitch Friedman, has paid for the medical bills and missed wages of innocent timber industry workers he injured??

Is CNW still working on their “tasty anti hunting activism” with the Sierra club Remember when that was noted on your social media???

Crickets

It’s interesting to me and I’m sure others that you find it appropriate to come on to this forum and insult people by calling some of us as you say delusional and lacking critical thinking skills. For that and many other reasons I can assure you that many on this site and/or within the hunting community are highly unlikely to buy in to the rhetoric that you and your friends feel the need to push onto all others.

I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.

And that's all I was interested in chiming in here. If some hunters, and commenters here, think Washington is going handle issues like this like Idaho or Wyoming, you're delusional. As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species, hunters and anglers, local communities and businesses, and the citizenry of our state.

Instead of throwing out BS lawsuits, that's what CNW is trying to do. And we've directly invested well over $100k in supporting ranchers, including the one involved this year, in doing so. As further evidenced by this latest report: http://nwsportsmanmag.com/key-court-hearing-on-washington-wolf-management-tomorrow-morning/

In continuing to draw a very sharp contrast between the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity’s and Oregon-based Cascadia Wildlands’ court tactics and its own collaborative approach, Conservation Northwest this afternoon reported its staffers and contracted range riders have been working hard to prevent further depredations by the Togos.

“We and others stepped up to help the rancher protect cattle day and night given the Temporary Restraining Order [on lethal removal]. We have reduced possible wolf depredations by using night herd monitoring and also through the use of day time range riders that are protecting cow/calf pairs currently in the midst of the Togo Pack territory in the north Kettle Mountains. The well-trained range rider group uses years of experience and low-stress livestock handling methods to potentially aggregate cattle and document and monitor wolf activity,” the Seattle-based organization said in a statement this afternoon.

Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here...

WDFW have already ran the wolf introduction in WA like ID, MT and Wyoming, and CNW was right there helping it along. WDFW refuse to confirm wolf predation on livestock, and when they were finally forced to do so, they drag their feet with lethal controls. Non-lethal controls have never worked in other states. WDFW refuse to confirm known wolf packs/breeding pair, they lie about the impact the wolves have and are having on the game herds, and you pedaled the same lie as gospel.



CGDucksandDeer Wrote:
"It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk”.     https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/



Compare WDFW’s action to date with the info. in the link below and you will see a definite comparison.

What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf



"As sportsmen and conservationists, we need to find some middle ground and a path forward that works for all native species”.

The Canadian wolves are not native to WA, and where was the “middle ground” when CNW and WDFW were writing the wolf plan that was shoved on the people of WA?


"Though perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree with this sort of pragmatism and critical thinking here…"

 Most of the folks on H-W have followed the wolf issue quite extensively for several years. Many people in rural communities who believed the lies told by the USFWS, WDFW, and the fake environmental groups have since changed their minds as they have seen first hand the destruction left behind by the ‘'wild wolves” that kill deer in their yards etc.. Then there are the facts that can’t be lied about anymore after many years of wolves;

Wolf impacts underestimated

http://www.pinedaleonline.com/wolf/wolfimpacts.htm
 


So yes, you probably should go back to snowing the uninformed, they might even donate to the sob stories fake environmentalists conjured up when lethal wolf control is implemented. 


 How long before CNW and WDFW predict delisting again? 16+ years of wolves and WDFW says wolves have not impacted the game herds.


The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2017%20Feb-Mar%202006%20The%20Northern%20Yellowstone%20elk%20herd.pdf



Nothing has changed in the last year...

Duplicity in the wolf debate

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,218612.0.html