Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[Tbar]

If it was a state draw tag that was drawn I might consider helping someone regardless of who they were if I was asked.... However a tag like this that there was no input from the wdfw or regard for the welfare of the sheep herd and the effect it will have on the rest of us hopeful sheep hunters that would like to draw a swakane sheep tag someday….no I would not.. Not about it being a Yakama hunter but the process that was used to give out those tags that I don't agree with..

I'm with this guy.

So at this point in time, is it safe to say you are anti tribal hunting (or sugar coat it and say you don't agree).

[jackelope]

No I think how it goes is If a Native shoots an animal with big antlers he is no longer a hunter he's a savage, But if a non native shoots a 350 plus with a State Tag he is a Sportsman,  And if you buy fuel and Tobacco from a Native the State calls that illegal, but if you drive across the border Oregon and Idaho and get it for cheaper your also a Sportsman or Law abiding citizen.  IDK as long as you keep the Native poor on this reservation you did your job.  And I think "filling the freezer" means with huckleberry's and roots.   

My question comes from what I thought was the reasoning for these hunts. The need to fill the freezer...provide sustenance. Provide meat for a ceremony. There's a lot of good reasons for these hunts... I totally get that and respect it fully when it happens the way it's supposed to. Mostly my concern stems from the tribal members who are out shooting multiple, some might even say "Several", large branch antlered bull elk per year and then say that they are putting meat together for a ceremony or something along those lines. Then you see the heads entered for scoring at the local outdoor expo's for scoring, we hear about them selling the heads to taxidermists and then you see them advertising elk jerky for sale on Facebook or on Craigslist. For some reason these guys can't shoot cow elk to supply the meat for the ceremonies. There seems to be a need for them to shoot trophy bulls. I'm not trying to lump you all together and place the blame on the entire tribe. I know there's a few bad eggs, but those bad eggs are what cause me to wonder and ask the question. Do you blame me for wondering?

[jackelope]

If it was a state draw tag that was drawn I might consider helping someone regardless of who they were if I was asked.... However a tag like this that there was no input from the wdfw or regard for the welfare of the sheep herd and the effect it will have on the rest of us hopeful sheep hunters that would like to draw a swakane sheep tag someday….no I would not.. Not about it being a Yakama hunter but the process that was used to give out those tags that I don't agree with..

I'm with this guy.

So at this point in time, is it safe to say you are anti tribal hunting (or sugar coat it and say you don't agree).

I'm not anti tribal hunting. Per the question asked:

Just wondering, If you knew a Yakama that drew the Swakane Tag would you help him scout if asked or would you want no part of it?  Just seems like a good opportunity for someone to go at least look at some beautiful animals in there.  Or would you not help a tribal member simply because he's a tribal member?  Just a question.

I would not be interested in helping a tribal Swakane sheep hunter.

[jackelope]

LOL sorry seen an opening had to take it.  But I agree with you on big antlers, don't really know how to answer you question without getting attacked.  I'm pretty sure if a warrior had a big woman back when buffalo were around He prob shot a big bull so he could cover her butt up with a Buffalo robe.  Thats bout the best I can help with that one.  lol

I don't mean my questions to come across as an attack. Sorry if they did. I'm not here to attack anyone.  I do have questions though, and they've been asked before and don't ever seem to get answered.

[Chiefbigbul]

Well it would be like me saying why would we answer you question cause we don't know if you guys are involved with the "kill'em all boys" in anyway.  The state already grants you guys 10 times more tags for Elk and Deer than we kill in 10yrs of hunting.  Yes I understand you mean no harm by your question, but i've had to kill a bull before cause he was wounded during your guys seasons and wasn't going to live anyway, or a cow elk with it's jaw shot off and couldn't eat.  And yes I understand you question, why not shoot cows if your going to sell jerkey, IDK I don't sell jerkey and couldn't answer that question.  But remember, the same people frustrating you are most likely the same people frustrating us on the Rez, cause they follow you or hear where your shot your animal an their there the next day.  They just go your way cause the Bulls on the rez are 10x smarter (cause there pressured all year). 

[jackelope]

Well it would be like me saying why would we answer you question cause we don't know if you guys are involved with the "kill'em all boys" in anyway.  The state already grants you guys 10 times more tags for Elk and Deer than we kill in 10yrs of hunting.  Yes I understand you mean no harm by your question, but i've had to kill a bull before cause he was wounded during your guys seasons and wasn't going to live anyway, or a cow elk with it's jaw shot off and couldn't eat.  And yes I understand you question, why not shoot cows if your going to sell jerkey, IDK I don't sell jerkey and couldn't answer that question.  But remember, the same people frustrating you are most likely the same people frustrating us on the Rez, cause they follow you or hear where your shot your animal an their there the next day.  They just go your way cause the Bulls on the rez are 10x smarter (cause there pressured all year). 

I guess my biggest question is why does the tribe not do anything about it if it's frustrating?  Or maybe it's only frustrating to folks like you and Plat and not to the folks in charge of tribal hunting. Do you guys ever hear of the tribe wanting or trying to do anything about it?
I guess I don't expect you to have all the answers and I appreciate you participating in the discussion. Your forum handle says you're the chief though so...I asked

[jackelope]

If it was a state draw tag that was drawn I might consider helping someone regardless of who they were if I was asked.... However a tag like this that there was no input from the wdfw or regard for the welfare of the sheep herd and the effect it will have on the rest of us hopeful sheep hunters that would like to draw a swakane sheep tag someday….no I would not.. Not about it being a Yakama hunter but the process that was used to give out those tags that I don't agree with..

I'm with this guy.

So at this point in time, is it safe to say you are anti tribal hunting (or sugar coat it and say you don't agree).

@Tbar
Are you willing to assist a Yakama tribal hunter in the Swakane on a sheep hunt?

Here's the original question.

Just wondering, If you knew a Yakama that drew the Swakane Tag would you help him scout if asked or would you want no part of it?  Just seems like a good opportunity for someone to go at least look at some beautiful animals in there.  Or would you not help a tribal member simply because he's a tribal member?  Just a question.

[Chiefbigbul]

LOL, No the tribe will not do anything about it, because no matter how long my family or Plats family have been in our hunting areas and no matter how much we love our hunting areas we will always have to remember the land we have left is for the exclusive use and benefit for all Yakama's not just us.  So we walk further in to the woods so other Yakama's don't have to.  It's just our way, if we looked at it any different we would be hypocrites. 

[Chiefbigbul]

And ya, somebody else ask another question cause this one has been answered.  Jackelope answered it.

[Chiefbigbul]

Okay Jackelope, What if I said I had the SWAKANE TAG and am willing to compensate you to find me the biggest bighorn on Swakane Canyon what would you say?

[Oh Mah]

That doesnt really answer his question.Yes it is All of the tribes land to hunt,It is also all of the tribes game to hunt and if a few are abusing it then ALL of the tribe suffers.The tribe has it's own gov. The question is why doesnt the tribal gov. do something about this abuse by its members so that ALL of the tribe doesn't lose it's game animals.The tribe is a huge part of the conservation of game nation wide,This seems like a very important question and should be answered if not to us non tribal then to the tribal members themselves.

HYPOCRITE,I THINK NOT.

[Rainier10]

Okay Jackelope, What if I said I had the SWAKANE TAG and am willing to compensate you to find me the biggest bighorn on Swakane Canyon what would you say?

That would be a ton of sheep tags represented here.  Time said he drew a ram tag and Whitefoot said he drew ewe tag.  If you drew the Swakane tag that would be the trifecta.

[Chiefbigbul]

Because the tribal government is too busy policing the non natives trying to get on the reservation and cut logs illegally and sneak on the reservation and hunt.  It goes both ways, you just don't hear our side, we don't have forums because we have to handle it man to man not in a forum.

[Chiefbigbul]

ewe tags are all on the reservation, idk the last time somebody has even seen that heard.  lol.  Nobody shoots them i know that. 

[Rainier10]

That doesnt really answer his question.Yes it is All of the tribes land to hunt,It is also all of the tribes game to hunt and if a few are abusing it then ALL of the tribe suffers.The tribe has it's own gov. The question is why doesnt the tribal gov. do something about this abuse by its members so that ALL of the tribe doesn't lose it's game animals.The tribe is a huge part of the conservation of game nation wide,This seems like a very important question and should be answered if not to us non tribal then to the tribal members themselves.

HYPOCRITE,I THINK NOT.

I am guessing that the tribe has the same struggles with their abusers as WDFW has with the non native abusers, the "kill'em all boys" and those like them.  I would be willing to be there is just as much overharvest going on by non natives as there is by natives.  Just last fall 7 cows and calves were shot and left to rot in the colockum and there was likely more that ran off wounded to die.