Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[Oh Mah]

lol you don't need to read the link to answer.Either you were taught that your people were thought of in the Constitution or not a part of the Constitution at all.

[Chiefbigbul]

i just like reading different views, but i agree with B4noons post you can tell he see's it like hunters should look at it. 

[Oh Mah]

i just like reading different views, but i agree with B4noons post you can tell he see's it like hunters should look at it.

 

[Oh Mah]

Ya, well you helping a Native with zero resentment would have been a great start and maybe that Native had a lot of family and could have helped you come to your conclusion with tribal counsel.  But obviously your a person who only wants things his way and you only see it your way, like I stated before why would the Yakama Nation ever work with the State of Washington?  We are their scapegoat to mismanage funds in their government, then people jump on forums and believe the stuff.  And your state game department cares?  They sold 93,167 elk tags just during General Season state wide.  Thats crazy!  with a 7.8% success rate, thats more animals that the Yakama will take in 8-10years.  It's amazing the amount of shame you send our way, and thats with zero poaching rates included.  So really instead of being part of the answer you would choose to keep blaming us?  or our management of animals.  Don't really know what to tell you sir.

This is not just reading different views,This is engaging in conversation.Now were you taught that the Constitution had nothing to do with Native Americans or not?

[PlateauNDN]

I never heard of anything from you plat or Dano on the link i posted about the Constitution.Whats up?  I mean you were both able to ridicule me even after(neither read it) but no response now?Plat you even asked for a source.

Do you agree that the tribes were thought of and were protected by the U.S CONSTITUTION or do you still think i'm just some uneducated person looking for an argument?Just for the record Dano,Only the person that is wrong is arguing.

Oh my bad, I forgot I'm supposed to be on your schedule when replying.

I read it and it does provide insight into the methodology of the US Govts plans for indoctrination, assimilation and a lack of extermination on the Govts part.

I got a public education and thru that education and thru that as well as learning from my elders that the goal is and has continued to be our assimilation and eradication.

The supreme law of the land? Fed govt exclusivity? If that were the case then the State should drop its cases against our business on our reservation.

But it continues to bring case after case and continues to exert jurisdiction on issues that are our business.

I will say I was taught that yes, I was taught the US govt has and will continue to push assimilation and will continue its pursuit of that fact.

[Chiefbigbul]

Yes i was taught all of these things, we actually lived our life through the treaty, also we were forced to read the treaty articles along with the treaty notes.  the notes tell a different story, i have actually seen the original treaty in WASHINGTON DC. But do I believe the United States meant to include us- definitely not.  Do I belive we had great chiefs and people that helped negotiate the treaty of 1855, yes I do.  There had to be people at the treaty negotaitions that new this and were on our side. 

[Oh Mah]

I never heard of anything from you plat or Dano on the link i posted about the Constitution.Whats up?  I mean you were both able to ridicule me even after(neither read it) but no response now?Plat you even asked for a source.

Do you agree that the tribes were thought of and were protected by the U.S CONSTITUTION or do you still think i'm just some uneducated person looking for an argument?Just for the record Dano,Only the person that is wrong is arguing.

Oh my bad, I forgot I'm supposed to be on your schedule when replying.

I read it and it does provide insight into the methodology of the US Govts plans for indoctrination, assimilation and a lack of extermination on the Govts part.

I got a public education and thru that education and thru that as well as learning from my elders that the goal is and has continued to be our assimilation and eradication.

The supreme law of the land? Fed govt exclusivity? If that were the case then the State should drop its cases against our business on our reservation.

But it continues to bring case after case and continues to exert jurisdiction on issues that are our business.

I will say I was taught that yes, I was taught the US govt has and will continue to push assimilation and will continue its pursuit of that fact.

lol that's funny,your schedule  you replied 4 times twice to me 1 time about sources all after i put the link in place. Deflect much?Chiefbigbull_As stated earlier by another your signature says it all my question to you was actually rhetorical.
Why use it as a signature if its not your idea of what was meant.

[Chiefbigbul]

im busy now, but i will better explain it to you later. 

[PlateauNDN]

Who's deflecting? I answered. Learning one side of the argument and saying its completely logical and the only word that matters is deflecting, dodging, ignorant.

I grew up learning in school how great the US treated us Tribes and how great it was that we were saved. As i grew older and started listening and learning from my elders I began to understand what had occurred in generations past.

I would listen  to the stories and understand from their point of view the history we have had here.

So believe what you want because no amount of opinion will change my point of view.

[jackelope]

Oh mah. This thread is not about the constitution. Let’s try and make a solid effort to keep it on track moving forward. Feel free to start another thread in the off topics if y’all would like to continue that discussion.
Thanks.

[Oh Mah]

 

[h20hunter]

Removed. You were asked, you showed you agreed. Then posted.

Removed

[jackelope]

Oh Mah. We talked about this. This thread is no place for the constitution discussion.  Let it go.

[Tbar]

If it was a state draw tag that was drawn I might consider helping someone regardless of who they were if I was asked.... However a tag like this that there was no input from the wdfw or regard for the welfare of the sheep herd and the effect it will have on the rest of us hopeful sheep hunters that would like to draw a swakane sheep tag someday….no I would not.. Not about it being a Yakama hunter but the process that was used to give out those tags that I don't agree with..

I'm with this guy.

So at this point in time, is it safe to say you are anti tribal hunting (or sugar coat it and say you don't agree).

@Tbar
Are you willing to assist a Yakama tribal hunter in the Swakane on a sheep hunt?

Here's the original question.

Just wondering, If you knew a Yakama that drew the Swakane Tag would you help him scout if asked or would you want no part of it?  Just seems like a good opportunity for someone to go at least look at some beautiful animals in there.  Or would you not help a tribal member simply because he's a tribal member?  Just a question.

In a heartbeat!

[Dan-o]

Just wondering, If you knew a Yakama that drew the Swakane Tag would you help him scout if asked or would you want no part of it?  Just seems like a good opportunity for someone to go at least look at some beautiful animals in there.  Or would you not help a tribal member simply because he's a tribal member?  Just a question.

My answer:   If a Yakama drew a legal tag (and tribal tags ARE absolutely legal), I'd be as likely to help them as a nontribal person who drew a tag.

At least 2 tribal members have given me help on past tags.

There are a lot of great people on this site, and I've tried to help many.    Just as many (including some Tribal members) have helped me.