Yakama Nation Sheep Tags

[trophyhunt]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

  The state bows down to the tribes, c’mon man!! The state had no idea about the yakamas adding these 2 tags, how can you put blame on them for this?  I feel like you don’t have a clue about the swakane sheep herd, am I right?

[idahohuntr]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

[baker5150]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

Arm chair herd biology is not something I tend to agree with.

If the bio says it's ok, then I'll agree with it.  I'll then also ask why the WDFW didn't increase their tag quota.

[Rainier10]

I’m sure Wdfw would have loved to sit down and talk about these important 2 tags, if they had a clue as to what was going to happen.  It’s ridiculous that they were not involved.

I'm not sold on that just yet.  If the state and tribes aren't talking about the other areas that they both hunt sheep on why would the state all of a sudden be so eager to talk to the tribes about this one unit and 2 sheep.  There are multiple other units that harvest of 19 tribal sheep and 27 general sheep tags.  If they aren't talking about the harvest impacts of those 46 sheep why would they talk about 2 more in Swakane?

[jackelope]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

No.

[idahohuntr]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

No.

Well then, by all means...those who do not agree two more tags wont harm the population please show your math.  3 rams is ok, 5 is not...

[trophyhunt]

No, don’t agree, and fully expect us non natives to lose those 2 tags next year.  Maybe we’ll get 1 but I doubt it.

[baker5150]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

No.

Well then, by all means...those who do not agree two more tags wont harm the population please show your math.  3 rams is ok, 5 is not...

Take that over a 10 year span.  30 animals or 50.  Is that sustainable? 
If it is, why didn't the WDFW increasing their tag quota???

[jackelope]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Completely agree...I put most blame on the state for less than desirable cooperation.  I've personally witnessed the condescension from wdfw towards tribes on hunting issues...their ignorance is astounding.

This hysteria over 2 additional sheep tags seems ridiculous.  Is harvesting 2 more rams going to imperil the herd?  Combined with the state tags how many rams are we talking per year? It seems more like people are whining that the swakane wont be a trophy unit like it has been...not that the sheep will be on the brink of extinction.

How many sheep are in the Swakane unit?

How many rams can the herd handle losing per year?

You seem to think you know what you're talking about. Throw down the data that makes you believe the herd can handle 5 tags and 5 rams killed annually for the next few years.

Rather than continuing to say what you think the angle is that everyone else is working, lets hear your data that makes you believe there is nothing to worry about. Show us that the herd will be fine.

The 2017 game report says 150-160 sheep in Swakane.  Population has doubled from 10 years ago. 

Looking at population levels and harvest in other units, yes it would seem 5 rams per year under current conditions is very sustainable.

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

Now, with those facts, can we all agree these two tags are not going to harm the population?  And that the whining is about a lower age class ram and fewer pictures to take?  Both of which pale in comparison to upholding a treaty.

No.

Well then, by all means...those who do not agree two more tags wont harm the population please show your math.  3 rams is ok, 5 is not...

I'd be more ok with this if the 2 entities worked together at all, and I'd be more ok with it if I knew we won't lose opportunity with less tags in the future because of overharvest.

If there were 150-160 sheep in the unit, how many of those are rams? What is the ideal ram/ewe ratio for a healthy herd?

What effect does this have long term if 5 rams a year are killed for the foreseeable future? It's a very high success rate hunt.


 

[vandeman17]

More than 5 rams are die each year in there between predators, old age, and vehicles. I agree that increasing the tag numbers in the Swakane is not a good idea at this point in time.

[B4noon]

The game report noted that they have had conservative harvest in part because these sheep are easily accessible for viewing by the public, and viewing large rams is desirable to the public.

I can't believe that the tribe nor WDFW consulted with the wildlife viewing public who according to WDFW contributes more financially to the economy and resource then license buyers do if they keep this up they will be lucky to get enough votes to pass the fee increase bill for the wildlife watcher group cant remember what percentage they were going to raise those guys up

[MtnMuley]

More than 5 rams are die each year in there between predators, old age, and vehicles.

How in the hell do you know this?

[NOCK NOCK]

There it is indeed. Again, when this state decides it has another government to deal with and treats it as such and not the ugly step child then maybe they will get better treatment.

Treat others how you want to be treated, guess the State never heard of that.

Don't hate the messenger but...…..This goes both directions

[PlateauNDN]

Who shoots the messenger??? Hes just some guy trying to survive.

[Time Immemorial 1855]

Let's see a show of hands of how many would just let the state show up and do what they want, when they want and how they want on your property.

No questions, warnings or explanation.

First of all. No one is suggesting that. Not even close. So quit building straw men. Second of all. It's not your property. It's ceded land not the reservation.

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