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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2018, 06:48:42 AM »
I've been very critical of CNW in the past and will continue to be when warranted. I don't believe it's warranted in this case, as stated earlier. Give credit where it's due.
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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2018, 09:30:51 AM »
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...

I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...

Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.

It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/)).
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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2018, 09:55:56 AM »
BYOPC. I like it.
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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2018, 10:03:34 AM »
Got mine.  The good stuff.....Orville Redenbacher. None of that generic crap.

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2018, 10:35:13 AM »
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"

Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.

CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!

Overly dramatic?  Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.


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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 10:42:13 AM »
Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...

I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...

Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.

It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/)).


"And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even a carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not happened in WA in regards to deer and elk"



I wonder what the wolves have been eating? And where did the "data" come from?

Conservation Groups? That's a dandy, the fake environmentalist groups stole that terminology from hunter etc..

I had to laugh when you said the fake environmental groups didn't want to see the wolves go unmanaged, because the wolf plan that WDFW and CNW wrote and passed has insured wolves would overpopulate, especially since they control the confirmation of wolves, in otherwards they control the numbers. WDFW/CNW created the mess we have today and now fake environmentalists are suing to stop management do to wolf predation of livestock, while WDFW/CNW pretend to be helping ranchers?

Wolves have a devastating impact on cattle, weight loss, aborted calves, etc. how does CNW propose to help in that department?

And then there are the diseases that wolves spread throughout the countryside:

A TALK ON WOLVES, DISEASE AND THE NEED FOR REFORMING THE ESA

http://tomremington.com/2017/04/10/a-talk-on-wolves-disease-and-the-need-for-reforming-the-esa/


The Wolf and the Spread of Disease by N. Nazarova

http://www.marbut.com/wolvesinrussia/WolfandDisease.html


Brucellosis And Wolves

http://tomremington.com/2015/02/16/brucellosis-and-wolves/




http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/Do_predators_always_kill_substandard_Individuals_2-2013.pdf



"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"

Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.

CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!

Overly dramatic?  Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.


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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 10:58:25 AM »
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"

Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.

CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!

Overly dramatic?  Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.


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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 11:11:40 AM »
"The enemy of my enemy, is still my enemy!"

Just because these guys are in a turf war over a decimated NEWA county isn't going to make me forget who's responsible for getting us here in first place. CNW was the driving force for an asinine wolf plan, WDFW got in bed with them and spooned.

CNW knows that if they attack outside rabid "conservation groups" it'll gain some measure of legitimacy here at home and it's working by reading this thread, but let's not ever forget who slit our throats in the first place!

Overly dramatic?  Not if you witnessed the destruction first hand this wolf plan has wrought and continues to do.


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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2018, 05:08:36 AM »

I get my popcorn and coconut oil out for this one:
 
So your organization, cnw, is actively engaged with other anti hunting hunting organizations and shutting down hunting seasons and you and Mitch Friedman come on here with and claim you you are a pro hunting hunting organization . Both you and the eco terrorist Friedman have been repeatedly called out on your lies


Has Friedman paid for the medical bills and lost wages of the loggers he has injured yet???
Your response should generate another round of laughter  :chuckle:


Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...

I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...

Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.

It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/)).

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2018, 05:10:34 AM »
Coconut oil is not good for you might want to switch it up!! :chuckle:
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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2018, 05:12:58 AM »


X2 :tup:
Wolfbait, in addition to directly supporting Eastern Washington ranches avoid conflict with wolves, including the gentleman involved in this conflict, CNW has a number of programs benefiting ungulates. To claim that we're at all interested in their demise is nonsense. Here's one: https://www.conservationnw.org/our-work/habitat/okanogan-wildlife-crossing/

Plenty more on that website. And our unequivocal support for fair chase hunting: https://www.conservationnw.org/about-us/resources/hunting-and-conservation/

You and some others may not like Conservation Northwest, that's fine. But we're far from these extremists filing ridiculous lawsuits, undermining collaborative conservation and wildlife management, and using red meat messaging to blatantly fundraise off it:

This is hilarious. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: I'm sure all the predators will appreciate the wildlife crossings since there won't be any ungulates or prey animals left to use them. :dunno: :dunno: If CNW does support fair chase hunting and conservation so much, why don't they support a more aggressive predator control management in Washington state.  CNW has continuously fought for wolves and other predators but I have seen nothing about them trying to actually balance the ecosystem by removing more predators and letting ungulates and other prey animals rebound.  CNW knows they can post pretty pictures of predators and get the tree-huggers to donate large amounts of money to them but nobody is going to give them money to help save ungulates.  If you want CNW to be taken seriously, tell them to support the whole ecosystem instead just using the poor predators issue to fill their coffers.  Until they do that, they are nothing more than hypocritical extremists using animals for $$$$. :twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2018, 07:03:17 AM »
I have some flax seed oil if you would like to try some fancy blends, you will have plenty of time!!!

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2018, 08:19:46 AM »
Groups like CNW exist to change the Overton window, and they arnt the only one. Government can place one of its members on an advisory board in leu of traditional sportsmen, or use that slot to stack the deck against sportsmen.

This is quite common place in many of the departments advisory groups.

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2018, 03:14:12 AM »

Chase

What’s CNW’s official statement regarding grizzly season permits just being shut down in Montana and Wyoming? Was CNW involved in the lawsuit that just shutdown the previously approved season??
Are you going to deflect and not answer the question again?
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Excuse me while I get the popcorn fired up...

I got my bowl popped and ready before commenting...

Less interested in changing the minds of WolfBait and company, more so in providing some perspectives for those willing to think critically about this issue, and conservation groups in general.

It ain't black and white, especially in a purple state like this one. And just because some of us want to see native species back on suitable wild landscapes, even carnivores, doesn't mean we want to see them go unmanaged or cause legitimate harm to the health of other wildlife populations (something the data is clear has not yet happened in WA in regards to deer and elk (https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01948/)).

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Re: INSTATE WOLF ADVOCATES BLAST OUT-OF-STATERS’ COURT MOVES AGAINST WDFW
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2018, 05:05:14 AM »
I know the clowns at Earth Justice were involved
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