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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2018, 06:58:34 AM »
I have seen many people in my career die or be critically injured at the hands of .380 and less.  .380, .22mag, .22lr, 9mm, 38/.357......will all be adequate. 

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2018, 08:19:37 AM »
Check out the 22 TCM also.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2018, 08:40:38 AM »
Another vote for the kel-tec, my wife loves shooting it and quite frankly so do I.  It’s my favorite handgun.  Talk about a fist of fury, I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near the business end of that thing with 30 rounds in the clip.  One is bound to find its mark  :chuckle:

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2018, 12:45:10 PM »

Im just curious what makes you think 380 is inadequate?

I know a lot of people are of the bigger is better theory and I get that to some extent (and I realize you didn’t say that) but if accuracy and comfort play a huge role (they do) couldn’t the 380 be perfectly sufficient?
No it doesn’t penetrate in the gel tests as amazingly as 9mm, 45 etc but if you look into it there are several great options for CC in 380.
And if someone could shoot a 380 say twice as accurate as a 9mm or other caliber would that not make all the necessary difference?

Say they were able to get 4 shots off in a 380 all in the heart area or the other option would be only enough time for 3 shots in the upper body in general?

I’m not sure if I’m over thinking this and I’m not trying to call you out on anything, just trying to see if my logic is sound.





-note- I have a 9mm m&p shield but am considering a Glock 42 380 because I love how accurate and easy to shoot it is

Inadequate compared to the 9mm? Probably. Inadequate compared to the .38spl? Not at all.

Look at the ballistics information between the 2 calibers. When looking at the .38, make sure to make note of the test barrel length. A lot of times they are tested out of a 4" or longer barrel. A standard 2" snubbie barrel cuts the legs out from underneath the round quite a bit.

A standard .380acp out of a 3.3" barrel (very common for .380 pistols) is pushing higher FPS and higher kinetic energy than a .38spl out of a 2" barrel. +P loads bring up the numbers for both calibers somewhat, but they are both well within the same class in terms of power. Keep in mind though that you can only push the .38 so hard as the 2" barrel will always be a bottleneck in getting the most out of the round. One last difference is that the .38 (especially out of a snubbie) goes so slow that the hollowpoints expand far less reliably, to the point that some people don't even bother carrying hps in it. As future advances in bullet design roll out, the .380 may get more and more potent while the the .38 may be permanently stalled out where it is now.

So you've got the two rounds, which are as different as apples and a slightly different varietal of apple. So you can either get a snubbie revolver which only carries 5, has higher recoil and is harder to conceal; or the .380 which is easier to conceal, less recoil and carries up to 15 rounds.

There are several loads (for each caliber honestly) that easily pass the FBI's penetration test. I like the Critical Defense 90gr, because of how nicely they expand, but there are several loads that I would be confident carrying.

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#380ACP

The big 'ole caveat to all this though, is that you already have a 9mm for carry. If you think you can stretch into that pistol and get confident enough with it, you will have a self defense pistol that significantly outperforms either of the other two calibers.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2018, 04:13:13 PM »
S&W M&P .380 EZ. Super easy to shoot, easy to rack and load the magazines the sights are decent as well. The .380 is perfectly adequate round for self defense. Don’t do a snub nose revolver or derringer they are hard to shoot, low capacity, the sights typically don’t shoot to point of aim (which will be frustrating when you/she practices) harder to reload under stress. Now before anyone says but semiauto are harder to shoot for a non shooter or new shooter there not it’s very simple it just takes some work with some dummy rounds and some trips to the range. If you want to carry a gun it requires practice it shouldn’t be just as simple as buying a gun and putting it in a holster. Find a class (super important regardless of what you choose)

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2018, 05:13:42 PM »


2.  Real reasons not to go with 22 Magnum for her CC, if she's much more comfortable with it and will shootiti a lot more?   



Rimfires are more likely to misfire than any centerfire round.

Semi auto rimfires that misfire can be much harder to clear than a standard semi auto.  The Bobcat is one of them.  If it doesn't go off, you need to stick a rod down the barrel to clear.

ETA- If I was serious about a CC .22 (or magnum), I'd buy a S&W Airweight.  If the ammo misfires, pull the trigger again for a fresh chamber and a second chance.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2018, 11:25:30 PM »
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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2018, 10:23:40 AM »
I would think 25auto would be a better choice than 22mag. Feeds better and reloadable. Recoil is nill.   Best option is take her some where that she can handle and shoot many options, and let her decide.
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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2018, 08:18:08 PM »


2.  Real reasons not to go with 22 Magnum for her CC, if she's much more comfortable with it and will shootiti a lot more?   



Rimfires are more likely to misfire than any centerfire round.

Semi auto rimfires that misfire can be much harder to clear than a standard semi auto.  The Bobcat is one of them.  If it doesn't go off, you need to stick a rod down the barrel to clear.

ETA- If I was serious about a CC .22 (or magnum), I'd buy a S&W Airweight.  If the ammo misfires, pull the trigger again for a fresh chamber and a second chance.

When is the last time you ever had a rimfire fail to fire???  Literally 10's of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of rounds and have yet to have a fail to fire / misfire.  I can't remember ever in my life having one fail.   Now....consistant, accurate, leathality....those can be debated, but not a misfire fail to fire.  I do agree that a revolver is the way to go if you want a .22 mag.  Easy, full proff, jam proof, and crazy fun to shoot.  Mine is also surprisingly accurate. 

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2018, 08:37:42 PM »


2.  Real reasons not to go with 22 Magnum for her CC, if she's much more comfortable with it and will shootiti a lot more?   



Rimfires are more likely to misfire than any centerfire round.

Semi auto rimfires that misfire can be much harder to clear than a standard semi auto.  The Bobcat is one of them.  If it doesn't go off, you need to stick a rod down the barrel to clear.

ETA- If I was serious about a CC .22 (or magnum), I'd buy a S&W Airweight.  If the ammo misfires, pull the trigger again for a fresh chamber and a second chance.

When is the last time you ever had a rimfire fail to fire???  Literally 10's of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of rounds and have yet to have a fail to fire / misfire.  I can't remember ever in my life having one fail.   Now....consistant, accurate, leathality....those can be debated, but not a misfire fail to fire.  I do agree that a revolver is the way to go if you want a .22 mag.  Easy, full proff, jam proof, and crazy fun to shoot.  Mine is also surprisingly accurate.
I've had a number or failures from .22LR, and it seems the rate goes up as the ammo ages.  Usually just the brick Rem/Winny stuff that ever gives a problem.  Don't think I've ever had an issue with the small boxes of CCI specialy stuff though.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2018, 08:47:33 PM »
Wow......   LOTS OF GOOD PERSPECTIVES to consider.

I wasn't clear at the onset, but the choice of weapon will definitely be hers.  I'm not looking to decide for her, but she's a pure shooting novice so I'll be helping along the way.

She definitely won't carry without practice and proficiency.   She got her CPL, and took a women's introductory class down in Kent (which she really enjoyed - enough to sign for the next class).

We went shooting one night last week (free rental night) and she shot 5 different pistols.   She doesn't enjoy the real small, snappy ones.

She's already arranged our next date night at the range, and wants to keep shooting, so that is good.

I just got back in town......   Lots of stuff to consider.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2018, 06:44:42 AM »
Nice positive discussion on this thread!

I have played around with the KelTec PMR-30 and it is really a fun firearm.  Very light, high mag capacity, easy recoil and light slide to rack.  Only downside is the size.  All this was noted before - just consider this another thumbs up for the function and features of this firearm!

My wife went with the Sig P238.  This was after shooting handguns for several years at the range and carrying a 38 special revolver.  She originally went with the revolver due to the ease of cocking the hammer and low recoil - I am sure my bias towards revolvers had nothing to do with it either!!  She has very weak wrists and any recoil greater than a 38 special is painful.  Just the act of holding up a handgun for 30-45 min of shooting leaves her sore for a few days.  (Pro-tip: She was carrying a Taurus Model 85 38 Special so we picked up a Taurus Model 941SS2 in 22 Rimfire.  This way she had two nearly identical firearms and she could put 50 to 100 rounds of 22 down the range at minimal cost and physical impact of recoil to get trigger time, then put a few cylinders of 38 Special through the carry gun for practice and familiarity)

She also was unable to rack slides on any of my semi-autos including the Bersa Thunder discussed earlier (great gun - my first handgun actually!).  We spent lots of range time and she tried several firearms and then went to a gun store so she could try some more.  After working with the P238 she found the slide was super easy to rack and it fit her small hands well.  Also conceals well in her purse or on the body.  We picked it up and she has moved to this as her primary firearm.  It has been a good gun however it hates my reloads...  stovepipes frequently.  Factory ammo is not an issue.  At least it is giving her some practice clearing the gun!  The reloads are probably not sized well or too light of loads.
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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2018, 08:20:20 AM »


2.  Real reasons not to go with 22 Magnum for her CC, if she's much more comfortable with it and will shootiti a lot more?   



Rimfires are more likely to misfire than any centerfire round.

Semi auto rimfires that misfire can be much harder to clear than a standard semi auto.  The Bobcat is one of them.  If it doesn't go off, you need to stick a rod down the barrel to clear.

ETA- If I was serious about a CC .22 (or magnum), I'd buy a S&W Airweight.  If the ammo misfires, pull the trigger again for a fresh chamber and a second chance.

When is the last time you ever had a rimfire fail to fire???  Literally 10's of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of rounds and have yet to have a fail to fire / misfire.  I can't remember ever in my life having one fail.   Now....consistant, accurate, leathality....those can be debated, but not a misfire fail to fire.  I do agree that a revolver is the way to go if you want a .22 mag.  Easy, full proff, jam proof, and crazy fun to shoot.  Mine is also surprisingly accurate. 

I don't believe you've never had a rimfire "fail to fire/misfire".   Priming compound is spun into the rim, it's not uncommon to have a spot in the rim without primer.  The last misfires (and one hang fire) I've seen were during hunter safety live fire recently.

We're talking self defence here.  Why would you intentionally use a round that is more likely to have a defect?  Let alone the issues of clearing a dud.

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2018, 10:44:53 AM »
There are some really good deals going on right now, this being one of them and would be a very good choice for CCW. 

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Re: 22 magnum semi auto for concealed carry????
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2018, 11:04:21 AM »
If interested I have an original ruger LC9 I'd be willing to part ways with
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