Author Topic: good penetration with this set up? (Read 11430 times)

huntnfmly · « **on:** March 17, 2009, 05:50:30 PM »

This will be my first yr. bow hunting.60lbs bow arrows n fused epics 28.5 in 100grn montec brd heads total arrow weight 386grns 29 in draw length 270-280fps.Will this get good penetration on elk?I hope so cuz thats what i got.any comments would be appreciated

GoPlayOutside · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:52:33 PM »

I would get your weight (grains) up. And practice....practice...practice!

bowhunterforever · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:54:54 PM »

Your arrow should blow right threw an elk!

bankwalker · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:57:39 PM »

i would like to have my arrow weight up around 400gr out of a 60lb bow.

Old Dog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:17:17 PM »

Quote from: bankwalker on March 17, 2009, 05:57:39 PM

i would like to have my arrow weight up around 400gr out of a 60lb bow.

NWWABOWHNTR · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2009, 06:26:42 PM »

Shot placement will be the most important factor but I like my arrow wieght at just above 400, I shoot my 70# at 66#'s with my 28" DL. Practice and tuning with the broadheads (good choice in the Montec's) will get you a good clean kill.

huntnfmly · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2009, 07:39:43 PM »

Thanks. I plan on doing my best on trying to wear out a target practicing

Hoytstaffshooter83 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2009, 07:48:33 PM »

I would shoot a heavier arrow.. thats awfully light for 60lbs..

bankwalker · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:47:57 PM »

ill put it like this. dont make the mistake i did...

i was shooting a 390gr arrow/broadhead setup out of a 70lb bow...somewhere around 300fps. the local shop told me my arrows where legal and i was knew to hunting so i thought that i was ok for hunting. NOT!

i lost 2 elk in one week. and almost hung up the bow for good after such a horrible experience.

after talking to a couple guys after losing the second elk. they asked me about my setup and stuff. i told them and they were shocked a archery shop would set me up like that and tell me i was good for hunting.

when myself and my dad were tracking the second elk, we stumbled onto the 1st elk. half my arrow still in it. i had only gotten 4" of penetration. CRAP. i had seen the arrow in the second elk when it took off running and i was maybe 6" into the elk.

i made that mistake of shooting to light, but still legal. had i been shooting proper wieght to get penetration needed i would be telling that horrible story.

yajsab · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM »

I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.

Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.

Hoytstaffshooter83 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:11:33 PM »

That was my thought, unless the shots were extremely far a 370gr arrow at 300fps should have been more the enough, unless you hit the shoulder... however I still like to go heavier... I shot a 420gr arrow at 59lbs shooting 266fps out of my last hoyt and that passed through a deers shoulders at 52yrds and clean through a bull at 50......

Slider · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:22:44 AM »

Just remember the key is a SHARP broadhed!!!

bankwalker · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:49:52 AM »

Quote from: yajsab on March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM

I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.

Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.

the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.

the second elk. i will never know.

GoldTip · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:19:57 AM »

Quote from: bankwalker on March 18, 2009, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: yajsab on March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.

Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.

the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.

the second elk. i will never know.

No offense bankwalker, but unless you harvested that bull and can show me pictures, a "rib" never stopped your 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. You hit something else or your shot was around 100yards. I've blown through both shoulder blades of a 300lb black bear with a 402gr arrow out of a 66lb bow. My last elk was shot catching the shoulder blade on the near side and through a rib on the far side and I watched the arrow skip into the brush ten yards behind it before the elk even flinched, with the same setup. I won't believe that a "rib" stopped a 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. Not unless your arrows were so horribly tuned they flew sideways or the shot was close to 100 yards.

WAPITIHUNTER · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:28:41 AM »

Quote from: GoldTip on March 18, 2009, 10:19:57 AM

Quote from: bankwalker on March 18, 2009, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: yajsab on March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.

Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.

the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.

the second elk. i will never know.

No offense bankwalker, but unless you harvested that bull and can show me pictures, a "rib" never stopped your 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. You hit something else or your shot was around 100yards. I've blown through both shoulder blades of a 300lb black bear with a 402gr arrow out of a 66lb bow. My last elk was shot catching the shoulder blade on the near side and through a rib on the far side and I watched the arrow skip into the brush ten yards behind it before the elk even flinched, with the same setup. I won't believe that a "rib" stopped a 390gr arrow out of a 70lb bow. Not unless your arrows were so horribly tuned they flew sideways or the shot was close to 100 yards.

Hoytstaffshooter83 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2009, 10:54:03 AM »

I also agree, a rid will not stop a 370gr arrow at 300fps.. thats not the reason you lost those elk

bankwalker · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2009, 12:29:59 PM »

well i actually found the cow...and the arrow was stuck in the ribs. with one rib being blown to bits and pieces. only 4" of the arrow including the broadhead was passed the ribs. it was a 40yd shot.

i cant say anything more then that...when my dad found the elk 2 days later the arrow was only sticking 4" past the ribs. *note* the arrow could have been pulled out some by the elk

or from hitting branches and w/e but idk about that one. cause that arrow was in there tight. i really dont know. all i know is that the arrow i was shooting to was to light for my setup. the guys at the local shop gave me a new set of arrows and broadheads for thier mistake in setting me up the way they did. and told me that had i been shooting a proper arrow weight then i wouldnt have had that problem

i honestly have no idea...all i know is what i seen.

the second elk i shot/lost was completely my fault. i hesitated on the release and knew it was a horrible shot. the second elk hit dead on the shoulder. and when it took off the arrow snapped off on a tree. i got 20" of arrow back. it was a horrible shot on my part and i know that.

Intruder · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2009, 01:21:57 PM »

Based on the original question about 386 grns at speed of 270+, it seems like that's within the range of acceptable tolerances for a clean kill on an elk. It should easily produce KE of mid 50s and be well within the recommended range. I'm not disagreeing that shooting 400 grns or more may give some added penetration but I'm not sure I'd recommend changing his whole setup if it's shooting well.

Hoytstaffshooter83 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 18, 2009, 03:56:17 PM »

why would making a simple change to a heavier arrow be a big deal? if hes shooting well he will shoot well with ANY god arrow/BH combo.. its not gear specicfic.. a good shooter can pick up any set up and shoot it well..... stil I would always say shoot over 400 gr

yajsab · « **Reply #19 on:** March 18, 2009, 04:07:46 PM »

Quote from: bankwalker on March 18, 2009, 09:49:52 AM

Quote from: yajsab on March 17, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
I shoot around 370 grns and had no problem harvesting elk. However, shot placement is the key. I don't disagree on the heavier arrow. If you're only getting about 4" of penetration, you're more likely hitting bone/shoulder blade.

Shot placement is important. So you should be fine. But if you can go heavier, then that will be better.

the first elk i had hit a rib. a slick trick should have blown right through a rib. had i been shooting a heavier arrow then i wouldnt have had that problem (more then likely) but you never know...a rib can stop a bullet too.

the second elk. i will never know.

That is odd. My previous elk, the arrow snapped the rib and buried in the chest. I'm only shooting 60# on a 25" DL.

Go heavy or keep your set up, but practice shot placement.

huntnfmly · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:06:15 PM »

Thanks everybody.I have been on the fence about heavier but i think it would be best.I am going to go with easton fmj it will make the arrow weight just over 435grains it will slow my bow to about 266fps but that should still be good and shoot fairly flat thanks again

bowhunter1972 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:51:55 PM »

this was taken in colorado 07 with 125grain tips i shot her at 40 yards

bowhunter1972 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:53:20 PM »

sorry guy's it was 06 cow elk not 07

Old Dog · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2009, 09:58:26 PM »

Quote from: bankwalker on March 17, 2009, 08:47:57 PM

i was shooting a 390gr arrow/broadhead setup out of a 70lb bow...somewhere around 300fps. the local shop told me my arrows where legal and i was knew to hunting so i thought that i was ok for hunting. NOT!

That's not a legal setup

6 grains per pound of draw weight at 70# is 420 grains

Whatever shop you went to set you up all right....for a big ticket

Double check the tune of your bow. If your arrow isn't flying correctly you will lose penetration as well as accuracy.

Intruder · « **Reply #24 on:** March 19, 2009, 08:23:10 AM »

Quote from: Hoytstaffshooter83 on March 18, 2009, 03:56:17 PM

why would making a simple change to a heavier arrow be a big deal? if hes shooting well he will shoot well with ANY god arrow/BH combo.. its not gear specicfic.. a good shooter can pick up any set up and shoot it well..... stil I would always say shoot over 400 gr

Just the expense, depending on what setup he'd need to go to.... if you're talking about buying 12-18 new arrows and/or another half dozen broadheads. That could easily exceed 200 bucks if he did all that.

@RCHER · « **Reply #25 on:** March 19, 2009, 02:31:44 PM »

huntnfmly, all good feedback here. I'll just add that your original setup is way more than enough to kill an elk. Look at the stats on a trad bow some time. If we held them to the same standard, we'd never get to hunt with our recurves and longbows. Most archers don't even hunt with tackle that will do 280fps.

Accuracy + sharp heads = clean kills

demontang · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2009, 05:33:01 PM »

I shot arrows that are around 420gr's and my target arrows are 389gr's and penetrate just as far tell around 40yds. If your worried about it I would change, there's nothing that will make you second guess a shot and miss or make a bad shot then not have faith in your equipment.

colockumelk · « **Reply #27 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:43:54 PM »

I have a question on arrow weight. I shoot Easton Excels that say 10 gpi. My arrows are 29 inches and I shoot a 100 grain broadhead (Muzzy MX-3) Since this is only 390 grains of weight does this meen that I am illegal? I don't know how I can get much heavier unless I switch to a 125 grain broad head, which I don't want to do.

Oh I will either be shooting a Hoyt Alpha Max 32 or a Bowtech Admiral. Whichever one I buy would be set at 70lbs at 28". Both their "IBO" ratings are 320 fps.

Gobble Gobble · « **Reply #28 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:58:57 PM »

you need to factor in vanes, knock and insert.

colockumelk · « **Reply #29 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:22:09 PM »

Okay now I have another question.

On average how much does the knock, vanes and insert weigh?

BULLBLASTER · « **Reply #30 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:27:19 PM »

insert is usually 10 or 15 nock around 10 and vains could be from 10 t0 40 depending on size and material.

Gobble Gobble · « **Reply #31 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:28:09 PM »

What do you have? Most manufacturer sites will tell you what they weigh.

nanum · « **Reply #32 on:** April 02, 2009, 03:08:28 PM »

Shoot around 420-430 and you will be good to go for elk.

colockumelk · « **Reply #33 on:** April 02, 2009, 04:46:29 PM »

Quote from: Gobble Gobble on March 26, 2009, 04:28:09 PM

What do you have? Most manufacturer sites will tell you what they weigh.

I shoot the Easton Excels that are 10gpi and are 28.5 inches. I'll look it up on their website.

huntnphool · « **Reply #34 on:** April 02, 2009, 04:55:42 PM »

My arrows are at 380gr. and have taken several elk and a moose with only a sigle shot on each. Its all about placement, double lung or heart shot and it wont matter how much your arrow weighs.

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