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Flintlock value question
« on: August 29, 2018, 10:45:39 AM »
Hello.  My dad bought a flintlock kit about 40 years ago in Tennessee.  I don't know who manufactured the kit.  My grandpa finished the kit sometime after my dad died.  My uncle now has the gun and wants to send it to me.  Part of sending it to a dealer here is that it needs to be invoiced so I can pay tax on it (yippee!).  I really have no idea what value to put on it, nor does my uncle.  Assuming the sentimental part has no monetary value, anyone want to toss out a number or range of likely value on this gun?  I attached the only picture I have of it.  Thanks

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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2018, 11:11:41 AM »
Value....Priceless.
Declared value.  Um 100 bucks

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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 11:12:26 AM »
It can’t be gifted?

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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2018, 11:14:20 AM »
I'm not an expert so definitely double check, but 1) It's an antique firearm (replica) under the RCW not a firearm, so it doesn't need to be sent via a dealer (4a).  2) even if it was a firearm, in which case the FFL transfer would only be required because it is shipped, I'd value it at $0 for the transfer since it is a gift from one immediate family member to another (4b). 

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

I think your uncle can send it directly to you via USPS, UPS or FEDEX without any legal issue.  Another option, if you will be visiting your uncle in person any time soon, would be for the traveler to transport it.  Even if by air, it can be checked in a locked gun case without issue.
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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 11:15:46 AM »
 :yeah:   I was thinking why it couldn’t be gifted, or inherited

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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 11:28:24 AM »
I'm not an expert so definitely double check, but 1) It's an antique firearm (replica) under the RCW not a firearm, so it doesn't need to be sent via a dealer (4a).  2) even if it was a firearm, in which case the FFL transfer would only be required because it is shipped, I'd value it at $0 for the transfer since it is a gift from one immediate family member to another (4b). 

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

I think your uncle can send it directly to you via USPS, UPS or FEDEX without any legal issue.  Another option, if you will be visiting your uncle in person any time soon, would be for the traveler to transport it.  Even if by air, it can be checked in a locked gun case without issue.

I believe the shipping info is correct in this instance, antiques or replica's are exempt.

But as for the value question, if shipping, I think it would be a mistake to value it at nothing in the case of it being lost or stolen...no value means no loss to you, which means no reimbursement. 

Putting a value on it for insurance purposes is the right thing to do, especially since it would be hard to package so it was not easily identified as a firearm of some sort to those with sticky fingers handling it between them and you.

Also I would consider the fastest shipping as possible, to me it would be worth paying the extra shipping for less handling time and less chances for it to disappear.
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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 01:26:58 PM »
Thanks for the help!  The information I found seems to agree that it could probably be shipped direct to me.  However, I really don't want to chance it.  Playing it safe isn't my usual style, but this time I think I'll sleep better if I do.  Maybe I got bad info from the store I talked to.  Paying tax on a gift sounds wrong, but if it comes down to it, I'll just pay. I'll feel cheated, but I'll be happy to have this to go with the one kit my dad did finish.

The store also told me if the value seemed low, that they'd be stuck trying to assign a market value to it. 

Do any of you know a dealer in Spokane that you have a lot of faith in?  I called one of the places that I've purchased from before, but wouldn't mind getting a second opinion.

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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 02:17:41 PM »
We rush-ship directly to customer's doors throughout the United States, except for customers in New Jersey, Washington D.C. & New York City as well as all pistol orders within New York State. In these jurisdictions, the law requires muzzleloaders to be shipped to a licensed FFL firearms dealer, which we are happy to arrange for your convenience.

www.muzzle-loaders.com

RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;
(b) The sale or transfer of an antique firearm;

You definitely don't need to FFL transfer or pay tax the flintlock.
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Re: Flintlock value question
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2018, 04:23:26 PM »
We rush-ship directly to customer's doors throughout the United States, except for customers in New Jersey, Washington D.C. & New York City as well as all pistol orders within New York State. In these jurisdictions, the law requires muzzleloaders to be shipped to a licensed FFL firearms dealer, which we are happy to arrange for your convenience.

www.muzzle-loaders.com

RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions.

(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;
(b) The sale or transfer of an antique firearm;

You definitely don't need to FFL transfer or pay tax the flintlock.

Very helpful reply!  Thank you!

 


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