Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access

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Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access


https://redoubtnews.com/2018/09/hunters-beware-landlocking-public-access/

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Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access


https://redoubtnews.com/2018/09/hunters-beware-landlocking-public-access/

So after you read this article, what ideas came to mind? Did you just believe everything in it? Or did you think, that is an interesting article, is there any reason this could be untrue and someone or some company may be trying to manipulate my opinion or manipulate my view on conservation groups?

Articles like this and the whole "green decoy" fallacy are created by oil/gas, timber and mining companies who want to buy up public land or use it however they please.

You want too see direct proof of limiting hunter access? The state was going to sell off some DNR land last year and the BHA helped step in get the sale stopped. So if that land would have been sold it would have been turned into private and we would either have no access or had to pay to access.

I can guarantee you that timber, oil/gas and mining companies aren't doing anything to help hunters, hunter access or wildlife. In fact they are working directly against it.

So think to yourself, who spent all of that money making those fancy "green decoy" website and youtube videos. Those cost money, a whole bunch of money. So where did the money come from and why exactly would someone want to spend that much money discrediting organizations like the BHA?

So when you hear the term "fake news", understand that it isn't just CNN. "Green decoy" is as fake news as you could possibly get.

[Bob33]

Hunters beware.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/redoubt-news/

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For a little more background...

[cbond3318]

  silly silly.

[wolfbait]

Interesting read, reminds me of the Nature Conservancy which is the middle man for many Fed land purchases so that it doesn't show the Feds buying up land.


Why I let the Land and Water Conservation Fund expire


https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/land-water-conservation-fund-000339

Not to happy about the USFS let it burn policies the last 20 years..

[idahohuntr]

The article is a bunch of garbage.  It takes some extra tinfoil to suggest public lands, access, and conservation are bad for hunters.

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The article is a bunch of garbage.  It takes some extra tinfoil to suggest public lands, access, and conservation are bad for hunters.

[wolfbait]

The article is a bunch of garbage.  It takes some extra tinfoil to suggest public lands, access, and conservation are bad for hunters.

Several folks have always wondered what the agenda would be for WDFW etc. to use wolves and other predators to destroy hunting and drive ranchers out of business, this could be the reason.

Why will there be a need for "corridors" after ten-fifteen more years of wolves and the lack of wolf control?

Why would WDFW etc. be buying up so much land for "wildlife" hunting, when anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the writing on the wall with uncontrolled wolves etc..

I had heard the Nature Conservancy tried to buy the Spring Coulee ranches up a few years back, they were told to go pound sand.

What part of conservation is WDFW etc. accomplishing by letting wolves grow uncontrolled throughout WA? Plus as we have already seen, WDFW etc. can't or won't manage the land they already own. Burning everything up is not management.

I think this needs to be looked into a bit more before it is hauled off as "fake News".

[wolfbait]

I don't think hunters would be in favor of conserving land for non-use.




Yellowstone to Yukon - The big picture

http://eastkootenay.blogspot.com/2006/10/y2y-big-picture.html

[idahohuntr]

The article is a bunch of garbage.  It takes some extra tinfoil to suggest public lands, access, and conservation are bad for hunters.

Several folks have always wondered what the agenda would be for WDFW etc. to use wolves and other predators to destroy hunting and drive ranchers out of business, this could be the reason.

Why will there be a need for "corridors" after ten-fifteen more years of wolves and the lack of wolf control?

Why would WDFW etc. be buying up so much land for "wildlife" hunting, when anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the writing on the wall with uncontrolled wolves etc..

I had heard the Nature Conservancy tried to buy the Spring Coulee ranches up a few years back, they were told to go pound sand.

What part of conservation is WDFW etc. accomplishing by letting wolves grow uncontrolled throughout WA? Plus as we have already seen, WDFW etc. can't or won't manage the land they already own. Burning everything up is not management.

I think this needs to be looked into a bit more before it is hauled off as "fake News".

Wolves are far less of a threat to the future of hunting than loss of hunting access and wildlife habitat.

[wolfbait]

The article is a bunch of garbage.  It takes some extra tinfoil to suggest public lands, access, and conservation are bad for hunters.

Several folks have always wondered what the agenda would be for WDFW etc. to use wolves and other predators to destroy hunting and drive ranchers out of business, this could be the reason.

Why will there be a need for "corridors" after ten-fifteen more years of wolves and the lack of wolf control?

Why would WDFW etc. be buying up so much land for "wildlife" hunting, when anyone with an ounce of common sense can see the writing on the wall with uncontrolled wolves etc..

I had heard the Nature Conservancy tried to buy the Spring Coulee ranches up a few years back, they were told to go pound sand.

What part of conservation is WDFW etc. accomplishing by letting wolves grow uncontrolled throughout WA? Plus as we have already seen, WDFW etc. can't or won't manage the land they already own. Burning everything up is not management.

I think this needs to be looked into a bit more before it is hauled off as "fake News".

Wolves are far less of a threat to the future of hunting than loss of hunting access and wildlife habitat.

 Looking at WDFW actions so far, it would appear they have no intentions of ever controlling wolves, that being said wolves will destroy hunting and livestock producers using range permits. Which in turn makes it much easier to shut down public lands or implement new policies. 

Looking at WDFW 30 year plan it would appear that is in the works, Y2Y or the Wildlands Project would seem to fit their goal. Quite sure they have no plans of coming out and telling the people of WA that they are intentionally destroying the hunting or range permit opportunities for the people of WA using uncontrolled predators.


2003

"Kretz said Senate Bill 5318 (Now SB 5064), which would require American fish and wildlife officials to work with their Canadian counterparts to protect a massive wildlife corridor known as the Yukon to Yellowstone Eco-Region, has raised ire in his district. The 2,000-mile-long swath includes the entire northeast corner of Washington, most of Idaho and much of Montana."


"The Nature Conservancy, working with several other environmental groups, was in Olympia this year asking for $5.5 million to purchase land in the Okanogan-Similkameen area of Okanogan County, which is one of two parts in the effort to turn the 7th District into one big wildlife corridor.''

If the wildlife corridor bill were to pass, Kretz said it would devastate his district.

"Property values would plummet and dangerous wildlife would be free to attack children, pets and livestock," explained Kretz. "Folks that own their land would basically be renting it from an out-of-town environmental group."

http://www.landrights.org/Alert_2009Feb08_Y2YGrab.htm

Sounds quite a bit like WDFW's thirty year plan..


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Y2Y – Another UN Land Grab – Are You Ready?

http://thiswestisourwest.com/index.cfm/in-the-news/y2y-another-un-land-grab-are-you-ready/

[bearpaw]

Before many of you ever heard of BHA I looked into the organization quite deeply, in fact there was a time I considered going to work for them because on the surface they seemed like a good group and at that time I could have used a little extra income, especially if it was made by promoting hunting for future generations. I sent a letter asking some questions about the creation and purpose of the organization, most of the questions were never answered and I received a phone call detailing how the group was created by Mitch Friedman as a front for Conservation Northwest to attract and involve hunters and anglers in their push to create more wilderness (one of CNW ultimate goals). I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus by saying who my source was and I cannot prove I was was being told facts, but when I asked BHA the hard questions they did not reply to them, that in itself raises questions in my mind. I will say the person seemed very knowledgeable about the inner workings of the top leadership of the group and detailed first hand knowledge regarding the creation, goals, and inner workings of BHA. From what I was told by that inside source I wanted nothing to do with BHA, and after finding the Green Decoys website it does not seem to be all conspiracy theory.

Some of the BHA loyalists may attack me, I really don't care. I do agree with some of what BHA promotes and at some point in the future I hope i can agree more with BHA as they become more of their own group and hopefully driven by a more diverse group of hunters and anglers than by the wilderness crowd. What matters to me is that we as a state and as a nation conserve hunting, fishing, and outdoor opportunities for all citizens, regardless of age or physical ability, and not just conserve opportunities for the physically fit users who can hike miles into the wilderness and who seem to dislike most forms of motorized recreation popular with many enthusiasts.

Conspiracy Theories
I was one of the early supporters of Donald Trump and was ridiculed at times because many people claimed Trump was totally off-base and whacko. Now we have learned that Trump's policies are bringing jobs back and the economy is booming. Business is better than ever and employment for nearly all demographics is at record levels or close to it. We are also learning that agencies within our government conspired to stop Trump from becoming president and that Hillary is the one they were promoting and the one who actually had collusion with Russia. It turns out that most of the evening news channels are owned by and promote left leaning interests, we have learned that much of what they report actually is fake news! To top that off, now even Obama is trying to take credit for Trump's economy! 

So here's some food for thought, before you blanketly accept the notion that BHA is looking out for all hunters best interests or that some of these websites are whackadoodle web sites, you might want to think about where our government was a couple years ago and what we have learned about previous claims of tinfoil hat theories that have turned into actual facts. I guess what I'm saying is keep an open mind, read all you can from all sides, and base your conclusions on what you see actually happening, not what someone tells you is fact.

Regarding limited access to public lands, I can tell you for a fact that it's a serious issue in Montana. There is a large amount of public lands with no public access. That my friends is a fact, so maybe considering that this article may not be entirely tinfoil hat whacko theory! Just sayin... look at the facts, in Montana this is a big issue already, and they are one of the stronghold states for BHA! Right now I don't have time to dissect the story and try to figure out if there is any factual basis involved or not, but remember, sometimes where there is smoke you will find fire, so I'm not going to figure it's all tinfoil crazy just because a few say it is!

[Special T]

Well said BP.