Chemical Spraying

[renrutbocaj]

I think the bigger concern is the reason they are having to spray....

When they clear-cut in such mass quantities, that allows the shrubs and brush to come back a lot heavier (which is obviously beneficial to wildlife). But these landowners are in the timber business, not the wildlife and shrubs business. When they come in to replant seedlings, the competition with the shrubs is to much and their survival rates go way down. With the aerial application, they can remove the competition and allow their seedlings to get established a lot better and faster.

Not at all saying I agree with the method, as I am having issues with it at work myself, but I think there is some misunderstanding of why they are doing it.

As others have said, glyphosate and most of the other chemicals being used are only active on contact, and kill the foilage very quick. This stuff isnt just sitting out there getting all over everything that walks by it, or draining into every water body within 100 miles.

There are NEPA documents and other strict regulations you have to follow in order to do any type of mass aerial spraying.

Just my $0.02.....

[hughjorgan]

So Glyphosate is supposedly safe once it's dry, but what about all the wildlife that are having it dumped directly onto them? Not to mention all their food sources.

Find me a label that has glyphosate as its active ingredient that says it is okay to spray it on animals. I have never seen one...

[LDennis24]

Reading alot of your comments on pesticides and spraying and glyphosate I would have to say alot of you guys are VERY misinformed. I used to haul hundreds of gallons of the stuff all over the Palouse and some of them are bad and some are not. Glyphosate is one that is not very dangerous. None of them are meant to be sprayed on animals but some are safe for animals once dried on the plant and some like Milestone are even passed by the animal and continue to kill plants wherever the animal urinates. Then others like Atrazine smell so awful they can give you a migraine. Paraquat is a very dangerous one and it's used to "burndown" pea and garbanzo bean fields so they dry out faster and can be harvested. Roundup is used the same way. It's in grains and beans you eat and feed your livestock all over this country. Roundup ready alfalfa is probably what most folks are feeding their pack stock because it's "weed free". Read up some more or maybe just research SDS sheets on the labels next time your at the hardware store. Don't be so terrified of Pesticides. Without some of them many of us would starve to death... Or die of malaria and West Nile and tick diseases and and and....

P.S. Unless it's the railroad right of way or a gravel lot nobody sprays sterilant on public lands...

[treefarmer]

I agree with you Ldennis.  Unfortunately this is a hot button topic for a lot of people and in my experience most people don’t want to listen to reason and would rather google themselves into a frenzy.  Most people don’t realize the extensive regulation and required training concerning herbicides.  And I don’t feel like arguing about it anymore.    The bottom line is in the world we live in, herbicides are pretty low on the list of chemicals you should worry about.   You are exposed to far more chemicals in the food we eat, the clothes you wear, and anything else that involves plastic- 

[Mudman]

Its safe when dry?  Huh?  Glad it doesn't rain in Wa.  Yes it leaches into drainages and water.   https://www.ecowatch.com/european-parliament-ban-glyphosate-2500863218.html             Not in water?  Maybe others are mis informed eh? https://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/glyphosate02.html                                    https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate-in-food-water/              We might as well drink some Roundup..                                 

[Skyhigh]

Whole bunch of people on this forum falling victim to the main stream media hype. Glad there are some common sense folk speaking up on it. I on the other hand have no patience to politely tell them they are full of crap and clueless.

[hughjorgan]

Its safe when dry?  Huh?  Glad it doesn't rain in Wa.  Yes it leaches into drainages and water.   https://www.ecowatch.com/european-parliament-ban-glyphosate-2500863218.html             Not in water?  Maybe others are mis informed eh? https://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/glyphosate02.html                                    https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate-in-food-water/              We might as well drink some Roundup..                               

Due yourself a favor and go to the wsda website and spend sometime looking around and reading and then look up labels to round up and then compare that to a restricted use pesticide. You should be able to conclude pretty quick from the comparison which pesticide is going to do you and the environment more harm.

[luckyman]

One thing Iv'e noticed.
 Every animal Ive cut up from tree farms over the last 10-15 years have had a lot of Cyst in the meat. The last deer I shot was a whitetail. It wasn't around any tree farms and didn't find notta one in it. One out of maybe the last 10 or more. I have a video I took at a tree farm after spraying. There were frogs leaving by the millions. Never seen so many frogs.

[Samloffler]

  AHH! HERBICIDES!

They're called herbicides, not huntercides, you're fine. When this stuff was first being marketed, the sales reps would take a shot of it to show that its safe. I work around it, and many other pesticides, every day and still don't have cancer. The studies that show its safe faaaaar out weight the few that say its a carsinogen.

It has always been ironic to me that the people that believe a few scientists in this case are the same people that laugh at the few that don't trust the climate change denier scientist.

As far as that lawsuit in California goes, take a look around your house. I'm sure there are shampoo bottles in your shower that are known to the state of California to be hazardous.

[Mudman]

Ya I trust Gov to keep me safe, that's why I ddont believe in guns!  Ha, LOL!  Most of the rest world knows they aren't safe but heh we know best right?  Pharma isn't a HUGE cashcow to the Gov is it?  Sheet.  Where are the grouse, frogs, slamanders, bees, hoof rot etc?  Hmmmm.  Go ahead and drink koolaid or roundup if its safe.  Not I McFly. Does asbestos cover up get forgotten too?  Or all the others from past?

[7mmfan]

All I can say is I scouted a clearcut for deer last year, that I have hunted for the last 3 or 4 years, and it's always loaded with deer. I finally got there to hunt it on October 29, which is prime time in this area, and that cut was a desert. No animals at all, no fresh sign, nothing. Then I noticed the same signs on the edges of the cut indicating that they had sprayed it with herbicide and pesticides about 1 month prior. The animals left it and had not come back. Clearly they don't appreciate it.

[singleshot12]

Not all wildlife leaves a chemical spray,not all have another clean area to relocate. Deer and grouse that I've seen stay became sickly and lethargic soon after,don't think they made it out.

[floatinghat]

AHH! HERBICIDES!


It has always been ironic to me that the people that believe a few scientists in this case are the same people that laugh at the few that don't trust the climate change denier scientist.

The irony, you are believing the science that says it is ok and won't hurt you.  As to most of the world who says it is harmful.   As in most things follow the money...

 Oh, looks like the supporters are in the timber business in some manner.  Post a video of someone doing a shot!

[Mudman]

Its safe when dry?  Huh?  Glad it doesn't rain in Wa.  Yes it leaches into drainages and water.   https://www.ecowatch.com/european-parliament-ban-glyphosate-2500863218.html             Not in water?  Maybe others are mis informed eh? https://toxics.usgs.gov/highlights/glyphosate02.html                                    https://detoxproject.org/glyphosate-in-food-water/              We might as well drink some Roundup..                               

Due yourself a favor and go to the wsda website and spend sometime looking around and reading and then look up labels to round up and then compare that to a restricted use pesticide. You should be able to conclude pretty quick from the comparison which pesticide is going to do you and the environment more harm.

Do you refer to this kind of SAFE?  Cmon man don't drink koolaid or roundup, do some homework for your own health.  Follow the $$$. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/03/27/pesticides-get-flawed-epa-approval/2024991/

[hughjorgan]

Seems to me that you and a number of others are the ones drinking the kool aid by the idiots in California.