i just don't get when people say "they aren't bugling in Washington" or something along those lines... in general they are bugling. they have been bugling! i have been in 4 different areas of western Washington from the weekend before labor day until this past weekend and bulls have been bugling every where i go that i know that they hang out. Either your not in the right place or the elk are turned off by pressure at that time but are definatly bugling at other times when they feel comfortable like at day light and after dark.