Ranchers Face Wolves at the Gate

[wolfbait]

I believe it was 2009 when a local rancher was having wolf problems up Pooman Cr, one of the environmental groups tried to buy his range permit, he told them no, the environmental group said no problem we will get it in the end when the wolves run you out. This rancher did end up selling his permit to another rancher.

With no wolf control, which is what we have today with the corrupt WDF$wolves running the show, how can ranchers stay in business? Look at the last pony show, the entire pack needs to go when they start killing livestock, WDFW know this, it has been proven many time over. Calling WDF$Wolves over wolf predation on livestock is like asking it to continue. The sad part is ranchers can't run from wolves, private lands are hit just as much if not more by wolf predation. Many ranchers have learned to stay quiet and take care of predation problems on their own,  WDF$WOLVES   

[shallowforks]

Doesnt seem like we are going to win anyone over or make any allies by saying the dep. is corrupt or using cute little names like wdfwolves. I agree that we need some policy change to ensure the protection of private ranchers’ livelihood and public wildlife. I think we make change by creating friendships and allies and showing the truth of what we see without villainizing and bad mouthing those who we find on the other side of the fence from us.

[Skyvalhunter]

That's nice thinking on your part. But when you have various so called conservation groups some of which are on WAG and some not. They challenging in court any kind of wolf management based on ESA then management will never happen. The Only alternative is to get legislation that allows management by each state and restricts challenges in court which is what Rep McMorris is trying to pass.

[pianoman9701]

Doesnt seem like we are going to win anyone over or make any allies by saying the dep. is corrupt or using cute little names like wdfwolves. I agree that we need some policy change to ensure the protection of private ranchers’ livelihood and public wildlife. I think we make change by creating friendships and allies and showing the truth of what we see without villainizing and bad mouthing those who we find on the other side of the fence from us.

How involved have you been in this process since 2008? It doesn't sound like very. The ranchers got screwed by nice and respectful talk. The people of NE WA had a bill of goods shoved down their throats by those who'd never have to face the consequences of their actions. The pro wolves PR campaigns turned the population of the I-5 corridor against these hard-working people and their heritage, their livelihoods, their homes. The WDFW and the USFWS are both responsible for this debacle and they're culpable for what's happened to these folks...and they don't care. I'd say that they have ample reason to speak the way they do about this program and the people responsible for implementing it.

[shallowforks]

I agree its not fair. My family lives off raising cattle and have wolves around their summer pastures. Theyve been lucky so far but the neighbors havent. I agree that the wolf program as it was wasnt right for the ranchers of the west. I agree that people who dont live in the area shouldnt be driving the policies of said area. I agree we should be upset about it. I just do t agree with the delivery. I dont see how it helps the cause. Thats all

[wolfbait]

I agree its not fair. My family lives off raising cattle and have wolves around their summer pastures. Theyve been lucky so far but the neighbors havent. I agree that the wolf program as it was wasnt right for the ranchers of the west. I agree that people who dont live in the area shouldnt be driving the policies of said area. I agree we should be upset about it. I just do t agree with the delivery. I dont see how it helps the cause. Thats all

 Too bad more people don't realize how corrupt WDFW are, maybe then we could get some Wolf/predator management. Probably not though with WDF$Wolves partnering up with the fake environmental groups.

Do you know very much about the illegale wolf introduction into ID, MT and Wyoming, or the corruption that went along with it? WDF$Wolves have actually been as bad and possible worse. Calling WDFW corrupt is being polite in my honest opinion, they are stealing from ranchers and hunters by giving us a BS wolf plan and then refusing to confirm known wolf packs/BPs so that WA can delist. They refuse to confirm predation on livestock unless forced to do so, and then they slow play control, they have been stealing from this rancher by not culling the entire pack when the predation first started. 

http://www.capitalpress.com/Livestock/20181008/washington-wolfpack-attacks-again-in-kettle-river-range

 You are naive if you think WDF$Wolves give two cents about these ranchers losing livestock to wolves or the ungulates etc. their actions have proven this time and again.

So WDF$Wolves fits them perfectly.

[KFhunter]

Dashell was praised as being a model rancher and citizen that all other ranchers should emulate earning praise from WDFW and CNW alike.   His sheep got ate.

Diamond M were demonized by pro-wolf groups and frustrating to work with according to WDFW.   Their cows got ate.

Other ranchers worked very closely with WDFW.  Their cows got ate.

Other ranchers want nothing to do with WDFW, CNW or any other group.  Their cows are being ate too.


There seems to be a common theme here     

Wolves don't care how well the ranchers, the public, WDFW or other NGO's all play together.     

A live wolf = dead livestock.

[shallowforks]

I would never say theres NO corruption in WDFW. Theres bound to be a certain level of corruption in any organization whether it be government or private. Do I believe the entire dfw is corrupt, absolutely not. Maybe theres a higher level of corruption in the wolf sector, i could buy that. But to generalize that all of wfdw is corrupt just waters down the entire argument and weakens your voice. Have they fallen short when it cones to wolves YES. When it comes to taking action in some circumstances their hands are probably tied by the state legislature. The whole system is kinda messy so its hard for me to just slap the blame squarely on Wdfw. And playing the blame game doesnt really solve the current problem anyways

[KFhunter]

I hope you have a strong back shallowforks.

[shallowforks]

Ohhhh its stronger than some weaker than others i spose

[KFhunter]

Good, because WDFW has a lot of water that needs carrying. 


I can't think of much they've handled well? Can you help me out and find some projects they've done a good job with?

[HighlandLofts]

The damage these wolves are doing is astinomical, the state is turning a blind eye to the damages because of the liberal tree huggers.

If they will not take care of the problem I am sure there are people out there that will.one way or another.

[wolfbait]

I would never say theres NO corruption in WDFW. Theres bound to be a certain level of corruption in any organization whether it be government or private. Do I believe the entire dfw is corrupt, absolutely not. Maybe theres a higher level of corruption in the wolf sector, i could buy that. But to generalize that all of wfdw is corrupt just waters down the entire argument and weakens your voice. Have they fallen short when it cones to wolves YES. When it comes to taking action in some circumstances their hands are probably tied by the state legislature. The whole system is kinda messy so its hard for me to just slap the blame squarely on Wdfw. And playing the blame game doesnt really solve the current problem anyways

WDF&Wolves claimed the Lookout wolf pack was the first wolf pack in 70 years, but then there's this:


In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery 

http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/



Why is WDF&Wolves slow playing wolf control and delisting? According to WDFW wolves started "migrating" to WA in 2002. That's 16 years worth of wolves for WA. 

 Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming were eligible for delisting in less than 6 years.


What they Didn't Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

[kodiak10]

All these pro wolf people should spend a night in Alaska out in the bush, and see how much they like wolves. I had a wolf sneak up 5 feet away from me when I was eating alone in a remote bay and snatch my jacket as he thought there might be food in it. It is scary what they are capable of.

[shallowforks]

Good, because WDFW has a lot of water that needs carrying. 


I can't think of much they've handled well? Can you help me out and find some projects they've done a good job with?

how about access? How many WDFW public access sites are there? I know I use one every time I launch my boat. How many acres of private land has WDFW been able to help open up for hunters? I see those yellow and green signs all over.