Conconully area...Where did the deer go?

[argali]

I grew up in Omak in the 70's and 80's, there use to hundreds of deer around. The wdfw wants more money? what the hell did  they do with the money they have? I cant remember what there budget was but it seemed pretty big to me, other than the $800,000 they gave to wolf gal, where did the rest go?

[NOCK NOCK]

NOCK NOCK it has nothing to do with killing a trophy every year or harvesting a deer annually.  It has everything to do with our resource numbers, management of our resources, and overall opportunity that the Washington State Hunters are provided.  We fund the WDFW to manage these resources and poor management is all we see. Our herds are dramatically declining despite what the Bio's say and print. Our factual evidence has shown through field surveys by us hunters represent the bleak future we may have for hunting in Washington.

 We need to be heard... We need to figure out how we can do this together... 

 

Agreed.
Although I am neither against, or for, WDFW management, I can not justify putting all the blame on them.

WA has too many people, fires are rampant which creates greater visibility, which in turn allows more harvest, hunters love multi permits(more pressure on deer), Vehicles kill way more deer than hunters, predators do the same, poaching, tribal, etc.


If we can control the amount of deer needlessly killed, there would be a lot more of them for all to enjoy.

More fencing in high kill vehicle areas, do away with multi permits to reduce pressure, and better predator control will go a longgggg ways.

[Mtnwalker]

NOCK NOCK it has nothing to do with killing a trophy every year or harvesting a deer annually.  It has everything to do with our resource numbers, management of our resources, and overall opportunity that the Washington State Hunters are provided.  We fund the WDFW to manage these resources and poor management is all we see. Our herds are dramatically declining despite what the Bio's say and print. Our factual evidence has shown through field surveys by us hunters represent the bleak future we may have for hunting in Washington.

 We need to be heard... We need to figure out how we can do this together... 

 

Agreed.
Although I am neither against, or for, WDFW management, I can not justify putting all the blame on them.

WA has too many people, fires are rampant which creates greater visibility, which in turn allows more harvest, hunters love multi permits(more pressure on deer), Vehicles kill way more deer than hunters, predators do the same, poaching, tribal, etc.


If we can control the amount of deer needlessly killed, there would be a lot more of them for all to enjoy.

More fencing in high kill vehicle areas, do away with multi permits to reduce pressure, and better predator control will go a longgggg ways.

You keep mentioning vehicle mortality being higher than hunter kills, do you have any figures on this? The only number I can find is an estimate of 5200 combined deer and elk a year on the WSDOT website. Not trying to be argumentative, i'm actually curious.

[MtnMuley]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

[eliandsky]

Hunting use to be easy now it’s hard? Good! 

Hunting shouldn’t be easy and as I get older it only gets harder.   

Good ole days are gone.






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[NOCK NOCK]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

To say this is not arguable........prove it!



There is absolutely NO way to prove this either way. 

On average 24-30k deer are killed by hunters yearly.

WA DOT reports 5000+ are removed yearly by them. ***(This is only on Highways)
Salvage folks take 1000 +/-

How many are killed on non hwys?
By Trains?


Regardless of this, lots of deer are getting smacked by vehicles on their wintering grounds, LOTS.
*I drive 40+ hours a week at my day job, I see dead deer, every day, 365.

[wolfbait]

Without predator control, none of the ideas mentioned will change the outcome for hunting in WA, you will just be extending the end a little longer. 

[MtnMuley]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

To say this is not arguable........prove it!



There is absolutely NO way to prove this either way. 

On average 24-30k deer are killed by hunters yearly.

WA DOT reports 5000+ are removed yearly by them. ***(This is only on Highways)
Salvage folks take 1000 +/-

How many are killed on non hwys?
By Trains?


Regardless of this, lots of deer are getting smacked by vehicles on their wintering grounds, LOTS.
*I drive 40+ hours a week at my day job, I see dead deer, every day, 365.

I refuse to indulge in stupidity these days. I'm sorry.

[huntnphool]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

 +1

[NOCK NOCK]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

To say this is not arguable........prove it!



There is absolutely NO way to prove this either way. 

On average 24-30k deer are killed by hunters yearly.

WA DOT reports 5000+ are removed yearly by them. ***(This is only on Highways)
Salvage folks take 1000 +/-

How many are killed on non hwys?
By Trains?


Regardless of this, lots of deer are getting smacked by vehicles on their wintering grounds, LOTS.
*I drive 40+ hours a week at my day job, I see dead deer, every day, 365.

I refuse to indulge in stupidity these days. I'm sorry.

Well I refuse to call names...….Have a good day sir.

[MtnMuley]

There is absolutely no way vehicular kills are greater than hunter kills. Zero chance, and it's not even arguable.

To say this is not arguable........prove it!



There is absolutely NO way to prove this either way. 

On average 24-30k deer are killed by hunters yearly.

WA DOT reports 5000+ are removed yearly by them. ***(This is only on Highways)
Salvage folks take 1000 +/-

How many are killed on non hwys?
By Trains?


Regardless of this, lots of deer are getting smacked by vehicles on their wintering grounds, LOTS.
*I drive 40+ hours a week at my day job, I see dead deer, every day, 365.

I refuse to indulge in stupidity these days. I'm sorry.

Well I refuse to call names...….Have a good day sir.

Me replying that I will not indulge in stupidity to keep arguing and ruin an important thread isn't calling you names. Trust me, I have names I could call that you've never heard or rethought of.....

Anyhow, once again, I think we're both agree on many things in this part of the state. Let's not make a couple we disagree on stand out.

[stickslinger]

Just throwing some some info out there.... all vehicle kills go under the winter kill numbers, even if killed in june.....I know kinda retarded but that is how they hide the numbers