Be careful Spike hunters

[treeclimber2852]

Had this guy on camera over the summer...I'm hoping he doesn't get a hunter in hot water.  Make sure to check and check again. 

[C-Money]

Looks like his forks are below the ears in that angle...

[Bob33]

Are any of the forks more than four inches above the skull? It not it is a legal spike.

Good reminder to be careful.

[treeclimber2852]

That's the best pic I had of him...it's hard to tell.  4" from the skull isn't very much and it's a little too close for me to risk it. 

[Widgeondeke]

boy o boy......I would be using a known dimension in the pic and scale it using my on screen take off program    if I was hunting spikes

thats WAY TO CLOSE to make a call in the field and i'f let him pass if i wasn't 110% sure

[ctwiggs1]

Are any of the forks more than four inches above the skull? It not it is a legal spike.

Good reminder to be careful.

The elk's left antler looks pretty darn far from the skull.  There is no way I would shoot that thing.

[dvolmer]

he's legal.  Game Warden wouldn't give you a problem at all.  we shot a spike like that a few years back and the game warden checked it with no problems.  He was shocked to see the lower horns and took a picture to show his fellow wardens.

[Timberstalker]

I'd be comfortable shooting that spike - the eyeguards appear to originate within 4" of the hairline.

The law read as such:

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these
game management units (GMUs) must
have at least one antler with no branches
originating more than four (4) inches above
where the antler attaches to the skull An
animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is
legal in spike only units An animal with
more than one antler point more than four
inches above where the antler attaches to
the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal

[huntnfmly]

Looks like the left side the lower points are right at the pedicle.
Looks legal

[Rainier10]

I would call that legal but what a great reminder to double check.

[ctwiggs1]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

[Bob33]

It actually looks more like six inches to me.

[WSU]

I'm not sure I need to bag an elk bad enough to risk getting charged with shooting an illegal bull.  I'd pass.

[Woodchuck]

 

[Rainier10]

Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull. 

[huntnfmly]

I believe the pedicle is considered part of the skull and the antler attaches to the top of that and those lower points are right at that

[buglebuster]

I’d smoke him. He’s legal in a true spike area as well

[cmiller85]

I'd be comfortable shooting that spike - the eyeguards appear to originate within 4" of the hairline.

The law read as such:

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these
game management units (GMUs) must
have at least one antler with no branches
originating more than four (4) inches above
where the antler attaches to the skull An
animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is
legal in spike only units An animal with
more than one antler point more than four
inches above where the antler attaches to
the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal

Agreed. I'd shoot. Those brow tines are about as low as they can anatomically grow. If that's not legal then the exception rule is worthless.

I'd say that most elk have pedicle close to 4 inches. If you had to go to the skull and not to "where the antler attaches" , that wouldn't make sense.

[tracksoup]

Wouldn’t he also be legal in a 3pt min unit?

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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[Magnum_Willys]

If the average hand wont or will barely fit between brows and skull its legal.

[Samloffler]

CHOOT EM!!

Might take a second to question it in a true spike unit, but his right side is definitely a spike per the law.

[sjhgraysage]

I hope he makes it through the seasons. That is a bull that could grow into a Big Bull if given the chance.

[High Climber]

Wouldn’t he also be legal in a 3pt min unit?

Yes he would as of this year

[Antlershed]

I’d smoke him. He’s legal in a true spike area as well

[Whitpirate]

Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull. 

 

[borntoslay]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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[pashok23]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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[Blacktail Sniper]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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  Maybe because the bull is looking down towards the ground...??   

[Blacktail Sniper]

 

[teanawayslayer]

 

Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull. 

isn’t that the truth! But if your going to make it worth your while you might just want to kill a 400” bull 

[dscubame]

BOOOOOM!!!  CRACKA LACKA BOOOM!!

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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  Maybe because the bull is looking down towards the ground...??   

100% 😂😂 Apparently my spacial reasoning wasn’t on point yesterday.  I still think he’s good to go. 

The intent certainly was that brow tines on a spike is fine.


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[ctwiggs1]

LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

Curtis

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

Curtis

I think it would be a pretty jacked warden who would do that.  But if you’re that concerned don’t shoot.  But it looks good to me! But I also don’t spike hunt...😂😂


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[millerwheeler]

Watched warden confiscate  deer for 1/4 " on east side this year no matter how he measured not an 1" guy was parked next to me carting it out and warden got out the tape and said to the guy your not going anywhere

[Chesapeake]

The pedicles on Spike elk are often goofy tall, as in this case. (just google spike elk images)

The question in this thread seems to be where to start the 4" measurement, the top of the skull plate, or the top of the pedicle?

The law doesn't mention "top of skull", the law says "point where antler attaches". Anyone who shed hunts knows that point is right below the burr at the antler base.

Looking at the OP's pics I'd say that spike has the normal tall pedicle's and that the brow points originate right above and or as part of the burr at the base of the horn.

The "yellow line" measurement looks to be to the top of the skull and goes well below the top of the pedicle. I can also see how one might think the yellow line was horizontal from antler base to antler base.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Nice 

[TVHunts]

LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

Curtis

Well of course, that’s a fish!  They don’t care much about big game!   

[pd]

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull. 

You know the hunting season is nearly over when this topic comes around again.