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Be careful Spike hunters
« on: October 30, 2018, 07:59:44 AM »
Had this guy on camera over the summer...I'm hoping he doesn't get a hunter in hot water.  Make sure to check and check again. 

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 08:01:21 AM »
Looks like his forks are below the ears in that angle...
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2018, 08:04:33 AM »
Are any of the forks more than four inches above the skull? It not it is a legal spike.

Good reminder to be careful.
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2018, 08:06:27 AM »
That's the best pic I had of him...it's hard to tell.  4" from the skull isn't very much and it's a little too close for me to risk it. 

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2018, 08:10:57 AM »
boy o boy......I would be using a known dimension in the pic and scale it using my on screen take off program  :chuckle:  if I was hunting spikes

thats WAY TO CLOSE to make a call in the field and i'f let him pass if i wasn't 110% sure

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2018, 08:14:01 AM »
Are any of the forks more than four inches above the skull? It not it is a legal spike.

Good reminder to be careful.

The elk's left antler looks pretty darn far from the skull.  There is no way I would shoot that thing.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2018, 08:24:50 AM »
he's legal.  Game Warden wouldn't give you a problem at all.  we shot a spike like that a few years back and the game warden checked it with no problems.  He was shocked to see the lower horns and took a picture to show his fellow wardens.
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 08:36:23 AM »
I'd be comfortable shooting that spike - the eyeguards appear to originate within 4" of the hairline.

The law read as such:

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these
game management units (GMUs) must
have at least one antler with no branches
originating more than four (4) inches above
where the antler attaches to the skull An
animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is
legal in spike only units An animal with
more than one antler point more than four
inches above where the antler attaches to
the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 08:42:26 AM »
Looks like the left side the lower points are right at the pedicle.
Looks legal
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2018, 08:46:02 AM »
I would call that legal but what a great reminder to double check.
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2018, 08:47:34 AM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2018, 08:52:47 AM »
It actually looks more like six inches to me. ;)
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2018, 08:53:20 AM »
I'm not sure I need to bag an elk bad enough to risk getting charged with shooting an illegal bull.  I'd pass.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2018, 08:56:10 AM »
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2018, 08:56:59 AM »
Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull.  :chuckle:
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2018, 08:57:51 AM »
I believe the pedicle is considered part of the skull and the antler attaches to the top of that and those lower points are right at that
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2018, 09:02:53 AM »
I’d smoke him. He’s legal in a true spike area as well

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 09:08:28 AM »
I'd be comfortable shooting that spike - the eyeguards appear to originate within 4" of the hairline.

The law read as such:

Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these
game management units (GMUs) must
have at least one antler with no branches
originating more than four (4) inches above
where the antler attaches to the skull An
animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is
legal in spike only units An animal with
more than one antler point more than four
inches above where the antler attaches to
the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal

Agreed. I'd shoot. Those brow tines are about as low as they can anatomically grow. If that's not legal then the exception rule is worthless.

I'd say that most elk have pedicle close to 4 inches. If you had to go to the skull and not to "where the antler attaches" , that wouldn't make sense.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 09:18:10 AM »
Wouldn’t he also be legal in a 3pt min unit?

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2018, 09:42:45 AM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2018, 09:58:26 AM »
If the average hand wont or will barely fit between brows and skull its legal.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2018, 10:01:42 AM »
CHOOT EM!!

Might take a second to question it in a true spike unit, but his right side is definitely a spike per the law.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2018, 10:11:03 AM »
I hope he makes it through the seasons. That is a bull that could grow into a Big Bull if given the chance.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2018, 03:20:38 PM »
Wouldn’t he also be legal in a 3pt min unit?
Yes he would as of this year

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2018, 06:58:43 PM »
I’d smoke him. He’s legal in a true spike area as well
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2018, 07:13:30 PM »
Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull.  :chuckle:

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2018, 07:16:22 PM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2018, 07:33:49 PM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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I think the distance has everything to do with the rule

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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2018, 07:37:48 PM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2018, 07:43:24 PM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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 :chuckle: Maybe because the bull is looking down towards the ground...??   :chuckle:
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2018, 07:45:39 PM »
 :dunno:
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2018, 08:09:46 PM »
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Where your yellow line is in not exactly antler, that is the covered in hair and I would call that the skull.

If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull.  :chuckle:
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2018, 08:11:47 PM »
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2018, 05:52:43 AM »
Here's a zoom on what I'm seeing.  You guys think that's within 4"?  Sure seems close to me.

I put a small yellow line as an indicator.

What does that distance have to do with the rule?




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It has nothing to do with 4” from the skull. His yellow line is horizontal.


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 :chuckle: Maybe because the bull is looking down towards the ground...??   :chuckle:


100% 😂😂 Apparently my spacial reasoning wasn’t on point yesterday.  I still think he’s good to go. 

The intent certainly was that brow tines on a spike is fine.


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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2018, 07:01:20 AM »
LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2018, 07:02:58 AM »
LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

Curtis

I think it would be a pretty jacked warden who would do that.  But if you’re that concerned don’t shoot.  But it looks good to me! But I also don’t spike hunt...😂😂


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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2018, 02:17:32 PM »
Watched warden confiscate  deer for 1/4 " on east side this year no matter how he measured not an 1" guy was parked next to me carting it out and warden got out the tape and said to the guy your not going anywhere

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2018, 09:53:38 AM »
The pedicles on Spike elk are often goofy tall, as in this case. (just google spike elk images)

The question in this thread seems to be where to start the 4" measurement, the top of the skull plate, or the top of the pedicle?

The law doesn't mention "top of skull", the law says "point where antler attaches". Anyone who shed hunts knows that point is right below the burr at the antler base.

Looking at the OP's pics I'd say that spike has the normal tall pedicle's and that the brow points originate right above and or as part of the burr at the base of the horn.

The "yellow line" measurement looks to be to the top of the skull and goes well below the top of the pedicle. I can also see how one might think the yellow line was horizontal from antler base to antler base.

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2018, 05:44:32 PM »
Nice  :tup:

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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2018, 06:35:12 PM »
LOL Just caught up to all these.  So you guys wouldn't be concerned if that measurement ended up at 4.25"?

I mean they were busting sturgeon fisherman that were .1" over this year.

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Well of course, that’s a fish!  They don’t care much about big game!   :chuckle:
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Re: Be careful Spike hunters
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2018, 07:20:51 PM »


If a guy can shoot bullwinkle in a spike only area I know I could get cleared for shooting this bull.  :chuckle:


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