I-1639 mega thread

[KFhunter]

The initiative sounds like it doesn't include semi-automatic shotguns. I wonder why?

So an 18 year old could still buy a semi auto shotgun but not a Ruger 10/22?

nice 


which would you fear more,  a 10/22 or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=ejy58DCoYKE

[lokidog]

The initiative sounds like it doesn't include semi-automatic shotguns. I wonder why?

So an 18 year old could still buy a semi auto shotgun but not a Ruger 10/22?

They will be added, after all, you can put a rifled barrel on a shotgun action and now it is a "rifle", mark my words.....   

[lokidog]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

No crime was committed by your if you report that someone stole your gun within 5 days of YOU noticing the gun is gone OR the gun was in a locked box, gun safe, or other secure locked storage space that is designed to prevent unauthorized use or discharge of a firearm; and The act of keeping an unloaded firearm stored by such means.

WHy is my house not a "secured locked storage space" when the doors and windows are locked?

[bigtex]

Everybody is freaking out over the "someone broke into my house and stole my gun" so now I will be charged scenario. There are four exceptions to the law where if they apply you can't be charged. I bolded the two big ones in my opinion.

(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.

[bigtex]

So my gun is locked up in my house behind a locked door, criminal breaks in steals gun, it was locked up. Is that a crime by me, or criminal?

Being in a safe criminal can still break it open and steal it if they are savvy enough, so whose guilty then?

No crime was committed by your if you report that someone stole your gun within 5 days of YOU noticing the gun is gone OR the gun was in a locked box, gun safe, or other secure locked storage space that is designed to prevent unauthorized use or discharge of a firearm; and The act of keeping an unloaded firearm stored by such means.

WHy is my house not a "secured locked storage space" when the doors and windows are locked?

Did I say the guns have to be locked up?

If you leave your house locked up and someone breaks in and steals 5 of your guns and within 5 days of you noticing your guns you call the police to report it they've been stolen you will not face prosecution under the new law. The notifying the LE agency is the big exemption to the law.

[bornhunter]

We knew this day would come. This is just a baby step compared to what will come. Our only hope is a lawsuit by NRA and it makes it to the SCOTUS where it is overturned. This state is making California look good!

[hughjorgan]

Everybody is freaking out over the "someone broke into my house and stole my gun" so now I will be charged scenario. There are four exceptions to the law where if they apply you can't be charged. I bolded the two big ones in my opinion.

(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.

How are people ever going to prove they had a trigger lock or similar device or that it was even in your gun safe? What if they steal the gun safe? The burden of proof will fall on the victim of being burglarized...

[bigtex]

Everybody is freaking out over the "someone broke into my house and stole my gun" so now I will be charged scenario. There are four exceptions to the law where if they apply you can't be charged. I bolded the two big ones in my opinion.

(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.

How are people ever going to prove they had a trigger lock or similar device or that it was even in your gun safe? What if they steal the gun safe? The burden of proof will fall on the victim of being burglarized...

It doesn't matter as long as you report they were stolen!!!!!

If you have 500 guns in you're house just laying around with no trigger locks/gun safes, etc. and someone breaks in and steals them as long as you report the theft you cannot be charged with a crime.

Nothing in the law says you have to lock up your guns, in fact the law even says that "(6) Nothing in this section mandates how or where a firearm must be stored."

[KFhunter]

Police:  We got a report your house was broken into on January the 21st 2019 by your neighbor, a gun registered to you was used in a homicide 3 years later, why didn't you report it within the 5 day window?

homeowner:  I was on a 12 day vacation, I got broken into on day 2 of my vacation and reported it when I got back 10 days after the incident.


Police:  sucks to be you, by order of the court you're under arrest, do you have a good lawyer?

[bigtex]

Police:  We got a report your house was broken into on January the 21st by your neighbor, a gun registered to you was used in a homicide, why didn't you report it within the 5 day window?

homeowner:  I was on a 12 day vacation, I got broken into on day 2 of my vacation and reported it when I got back 10 days after the incident.


Police:  sucks to be you, by order of the court you're under arrest, do you have a good lawyer?

It's not within 5 days of the theft. It's within 5 days of you knowing your guns are gone.

"within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken"

[KFhunter]

My guns are all gone, lost, in the river, in protest of this terrible law.

crap, what if someone goes diving an finds on and uses it? 

[JimmyHoffa]

My guns are all gone, lost, in the river, in protest of this terrible law.

crap, what if someone goes diving an finds on and uses it? 

It's more believable that you capsized because you had the actual safe in the boat too.  Plus, there's trigger locks on everything in the safe.

[KFhunter]

I just got facebook censored 

[hughjorgan]

Everybody is freaking out over the "someone broke into my house and stole my gun" so now I will be charged scenario. There are four exceptions to the law where if they apply you can't be charged. I bolded the two big ones in my opinion.

(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.

How are people ever going to prove they had a trigger lock or similar device or that it was even in your gun safe? What if they steal the gun safe? The burden of proof will fall on the victim of being burglarized...

It doesn't matter as long as you report they were stolen!!!!!

If you have 500 guns in you're house just laying around with no trigger locks/gun safes, etc. and someone breaks in and steals them as long as you report the theft you cannot be charged with a crime.

Nothing in the law says you have to lock up your guns, in fact the law even says that "(6) Nothing in this section mandates how or where a firearm must be stored."

. Their definition...

Secure gun storage" means:
    (a) A locked box, gun safe, or other secure locked storage space
that is designed to prevent unauthorized use or discharge of a
firearm; and

If it is just laying around they will more then definitely prosecute you.

[bigtex]

Everybody is freaking out over the "someone broke into my house and stole my gun" so now I will be charged scenario. There are four exceptions to the law where if they apply you can't be charged. I bolded the two big ones in my opinion.

(a) The firearm was in secure gun storage, or secured with a trigger lock or similar device that is designed to prevent the unauthorized use or discharge of the firearm;
(b) In the case of a person who is a prohibited person on the basis of the person's age, access to the firearm is with the lawful permission of the prohibited person's parent or guardian and supervised by an adult, or is in accordance with RCW 9.41.042;
(c) The prohibited person obtains, or obtains and discharges, the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense; or
(d) The prohibited person's access to the firearm was obtained as a result of an unlawful entry, provided that the unauthorized access or theft of the firearm is reported to a local law enforcement agency in the jurisdiction in which the unauthorized access or theft occurred within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken.

How are people ever going to prove they had a trigger lock or similar device or that it was even in your gun safe? What if they steal the gun safe? The burden of proof will fall on the victim of being burglarized...

It doesn't matter as long as you report they were stolen!!!!!

If you have 500 guns in you're house just laying around with no trigger locks/gun safes, etc. and someone breaks in and steals them as long as you report the theft you cannot be charged with a crime.

Nothing in the law says you have to lock up your guns, in fact the law even says that "(6) Nothing in this section mandates how or where a firearm must be stored."

. Their definition...

Secure gun storage" means:
    (a) A locked box, gun safe, or other secure locked storage space
that is designed to prevent unauthorized use or discharge of a
firearm; and

If it is just laying around they will more then definitely prosecute you.

You are reading a definition, not the enforceable law.

But what do I know, it's only my job to enforce the law