I-1639 mega thread

[KFhunter]

Training = Registration

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[Bob33]

I am not even that upset about the 21 YO age restriction or the 10 day waiting period. Yes, those are stupid and will do nothing to prevent shootings but it's the little gem about charging me with a FELONY if so A-Hole steals my gun and shoots somebody with it.  That is the part that really scares me. What happened to accountability? Why then if somebody steal your car and kills somebody with it are you not charged with a felony? This is just backwards thinking.

Not that I agree with any portion of the law, but if you report the firearm stolen you would be exempt from being charged if the law is followed as written.

[Stein]

Next year will see a ban on the ballot.  Possibly magazines >10 rounds, maybe something else.  I also see firearm licensing a possibility, easy way to increase background checks by applying state level requirements.  Other possibilities are increased pressure on gun dealers, we could see state requirements for people who are selling.

They are 2/2 with big margins, we're just beginning.

[jaymark6655]

Seems straightforward when we interpret it, but I remember a lot of discussion around traffic stops were officers interpreted RCW 9.41.050(2)(a) to mean a conceal pistol must be on the person at all times and enforced it.

(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

Everything that a bad guy with a stolen gun would do was already illegal. WA-1639 does nothing to change that. It's sole purpose is to provide a way to come after the legal gun owner despite how we want to read it.

Edit: Well that and take one step closer to classifying all semi-autos as assault weapons that must be outright banned and change the buying age to 21 and whatever else horrible this thing did. Truthfully I was thinking everything should be dropped to 18 or voting should be bumped to 21 (might solve some issues).

[bigdave]

Gonna be a big garage sale and a for sale sign at my house if this is not appealed. I already work in Idaho and it would be a hassle to move but most likely the best thing I could ever do. The state has left me.

[konradcountry]

I believe it becomes law on December 1st, if remember correctly.

I think on many initiatives, if the date isn't specified, they become law 30 days after passing.

I just verified this. Thanks for bringing this up, I was assuming it would start Jan 1st.

[KFhunter]

It registers the owners, sign up for a class your forever marked as a threat thats owns evil guns thats harmful to society

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[bobcat]

What if you have a gun stolen from your house and you don't even know it's gone? I could see that happening.

By the way, Whitman county voted for 1639, so it's not just the Westside and Spokane.

[pianoman9701]

I believe it becomes law on December 1st, if remember correctly.

I hope you are wrong........  Can we carve King County out as a Separate State yet?   

Don't forget Pierce and Thurston Co.s

[Billy74]

After last night I don’t see any state not becoming more left leaning.  Young folks are being brought up to value “safety” over everything else.  Not just  a gun issue


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[Fl0und3rz]

I am not even that upset about the 21 YO age restriction or the 10 day waiting period. Yes, those are stupid and will do nothing to prevent shootings but it's the little gem about charging me with a FELONY if so A-Hole steals my gun and shoots somebody with it.  That is the part that really scares me. What happened to accountability? Why then if somebody steal your car and kills somebody with it are you not charged with a felony? This is just backwards thinking.

I think the annual medical check is the worst. It's incredibly invasive and poorly thought out. What is the criteria? It isn't defined. People will avoid going to the Dr for things like depression out of fear that they might lose their guns.

This.  But I am also miffed about the 18-21 ban.

[Fl0und3rz]

What if you have a gun stolen from your house and you don't even know it's gone? I could see that happening.

By the way, Whitman county voted for 1639, so it's not just the Westside and Spokane.

80% receivers.

[Stein]

Training = Registration

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No, there is a separate section in the bill specifically setting up registration.  This is required as local police will be required to check the every registration at least annually and go door knocking if you are no longer authorized to own the firearm.

NEW SECTION. Sec. 15. A new section is added to chapter 9.41
RCW to read as follows:
(1) Within twelve months of the effective date of this section,
the department of licensing shall, in conjunction with the
Washington state patrol and other state and local law enforcement
agencies as necessary, develop a cost-effective and efficient
process to:
(a) Verify, on an annual or more frequent basis, that persons
who acquired pistols or semiautomatic assault rifles pursuant to
this chapter remain eligible to possess a firearm under state and
federal law; and
(b) If such persons are determined to be ineligible for any
reason, (i) notify and provide the relevant information to the chief
of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser
resides and (ii) take steps to ensure such persons are not illegally
in possession of firearms.

and

The department of licensing  shall keep copies or records
of applications for concealed pistol licenses provided for in RCW
9.41.070, copies or records of applications for alien firearm
licenses, copies or records of applications to purchase pistols or
semiautomatic assault rifles provided for in RCW 9.41.090, and
copies or records of pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle transfers
provided for in RCW 9.41.110. The copies and records shall not be
disclosed except as provided in RCW 42.56.240(4).

[WAcoyotehunter]

Gun owners should be looking for realistic ways to stop mass shootings and gun violence.  I agree that it's generally a mental health issue, I also think it's a masculinity issue. 

None of us should be surprised that the initiative passed.  We will see more restrictions in the future and would be smart to get ahead of that through legislation rather than another initiative. 

[konradcountry]

The initiative sounds like it doesn't include semi-automatic shotguns. I wonder why?

So an 18 year old could still buy a semi auto shotgun but not a Ruger 10/22?

They will be added, after all, you can put a rifled barrel on a shotgun action and now it is a "rifle", mark my words.....   

Semi-auto shotguns have flown under the radar because the AR-15 has been used in high profile shootings.

It's only a matter of time before mass shooters switch to shotguns in states where AR-15s are banned.

Then the idiots that write these bills will campaign against "automatic combat shotguns" even if they can't explain what they are trying to ban.

Hunters that have been on the fence will realize that the gun grabbers were not going to stop at the AR-15.