Does anyone know WHY you can't hunt coyote with dogs?

[zoomia]

I'm very new to all this. And there are things that just don't make sense to me about some of our regulations. Two burning questions I have--why NOT coyote with dogs considering how rampant they are and no bag limit, etc. And if anyone knows (even though this is not the right section) WHY can't you trap rabbit??

[Boss .300 winmag]

KS allows it, it would be fun.👍

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkTw8u6qY2M

[bkaech]

I didn’t know people used dogs for coyotes.? My first thought is was there ever a tradition/hunters who regular used that method in this state?

[Boss .300 winmag]

And these.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CKW22zG17xg

[dontgetcrabs]

I didn’t know people used dogs for coyotes.? My first thought is was there ever a tradition/hunters who regular used that method in this state?

Absolutely! 

[KFhunter]

I would be happy if we could use decoy dogs (tolling) for yotes. 


I-655 didn't cover using hounds to hunt coyotes, that's a WDFW policy decision.


https://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/17/Do+I+need+a+hunting+license+to+hunt+coyotes+in+Washington%3F+
Do I need a hunting license to hunt coyotes in Washington?
In order to hunt coyotes in Washington State, a valid small game or big game hunting license is required (RCW 77.32.010). Coyotes are unclassified wildife and are not regulated by WDFW. Since they are unclassified, any weapon may be used to hunt them. There is no bag limit and coyotes can be hunted year round.

Hunting or pursuing coyotes with dogs is prohibited.

Coyotes may be hunted at night EXCEPT during the months of September, October, or November in any area open to a centerfire rifle deer or elk season.

[Jerry malbeck]

A few years back they deemed it (socially unacceptable).What ever the heck that means. I used to have a Catahoula Cur mix that i used as a decoy dog and it broke my heart when I had to turn him into a lap dog. I have a purebred Catahoula female now and I sure wish I could put her to work, They make a great decoy dog.I can understand using them as a chase dog, BUT a decoy dog has nothing to do with them harming a coyote . Its more Washington state B.S.  It pisses me off that i cannot take the dog calling with me as I can no longer hear rattle snakes.Maybe I could just say she is a service dog 

[fast1]

How I understand it is you can't chase coyotes with dogs such as you would bears or cats. As far as being able to send a trained dog out 50yds or so & call it back, at that point are you hunting with a dog? As long as the dog does not pursue the coyote. I would try it, but as soon as my dog saw a coyote the fight would be on

[Knocker of rocks]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkTw8u6qY2M

Lord, those are fast dogs.   What breed are they?

[Bob33]

It was legal in 2008 but not by 2010. I'll try to narrow it down further.

2008: Coyote: Statewide, open year round. If hounds are used, season is:      Sept. , 2008 - Mar. 15, 2009    (Except year round with hounds in Adams,     Benton, Franklin, & Grant counties) .

[wildweeds]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkTw8u6qY2M

Lord, those are fast dogs.   What breed are they?

  greyhounds, roach backed confirmation and deep chests make for fast and  endurance. One dog looked like it had some saluki in it , also a sight hound. I've got a coworker who is from Kansas he said they used to have a great time chasing coyotes with dogs.

[Knocker of rocks]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkTw8u6qY2M

Lord, those are fast dogs.   What breed are they?

  greyhounds, roach backed confirmation and deep chests make for fast and  endurance. One dog looked like it had some saluki in it , also a sight hound. I've got a coworker who is from Kansas he said they used to have a great time chasing coyotes with dogs.

I would have thought that greyhounds couldn't hack the cold of the plains, but I must be wrong.   I see them covered in sweaters at dog-park in October, must just be dog helicopter soccer moms worrying too much.

[Tiger1358]

Because this state if full of soy eating twerps. I haven't seen them making any logical decisions for a while.

I have hunted jackals in Europe with hounds and pretty sure it'd be the same thing with coyotes.

[Skyvalhunter]

Because this state is controlled by Seattle leaf lickers

[bkaech]

It was legal in 2008 but not by 2010. I'll try to narrow it down further.

2008: Coyote: Statewide, open year round. If hounds are used, season is:      Sept. , 2008 - Mar. 15, 2009    (Except year round with hounds in Adams,     Benton, Franklin, & Grant counties) .

Thank You.

[Curly]

A few years back they deemed it (socially unacceptable).What ever the heck that means. I used to have a Catahoula Cur mix that i used as a decoy dog and it broke my heart when I had to turn him into a lap dog. I have a purebred Catahoula female now and I sure wish I could put her to work, They make a great decoy dog.I can understand using them as a chase dog, BUT a decoy dog has nothing to do with them harming a coyote . Its more Washington state B.S.  It pisses me off that i cannot take the dog calling with me as I can no longer hear rattle snakes.Maybe I could just say she is a service dog 

Yep. That's what happened.  WDFW  decided it wasn't socially acceptable.  There was discussion about it on this message board. I'll see if a search will find those old threads.

[Bob33]

A few years back they deemed it (socially unacceptable).What ever the heck that means. I used to have a Catahoula Cur mix that i used as a decoy dog and it broke my heart when I had to turn him into a lap dog. I have a purebred Catahoula female now and I sure wish I could put her to work, They make a great decoy dog.I can understand using them as a chase dog, BUT a decoy dog has nothing to do with them harming a coyote . Its more Washington state B.S.  It pisses me off that i cannot take the dog calling with me as I can no longer hear rattle snakes.Maybe I could just say she is a service dog 

Yep. That's what happened.  WDFW  decided it wasn't socially acceptable.  There was discussion about it on this message board. I'll see if a search will find those old threads.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,26327.0.html

[nwwanderer]

Was common before wet side control

[Bofire]

Many years ago there was a group of Horse riders that ran coyotes with Greyhounds in East Wa. Lots of guys use Toll dogs all over the country.
Carl

[Bob33]

WAC 220-416-010 was amended 4/15/09: http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/law/wsr/2009/10/09-10PERM.pdf

[bkaech]

This is a quote from furbearer365 from a archived post about the topic when the rule changed. I could be wrong but I bet there is something to be said for a few bad apples ruining it for everyone else, in that, people illegally hunting with dogs used coyotes as an excuse to be out with dogs. That may not be “the reason” they changed the rule, but I bet it played a role in it.

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No coyotes with dogs...
« on: April 22, 2009, 03:33:32 PM »
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Read the hunting regulations the other day now that they are in the stores.  New rule for this year, NO HUNTING COYOTES WITH DOGS.  I am 50/50 on this one.  The reason i am for it is because their are a lot of illegal hound hunters out their and believe me, i have run across a few while out in the woods, and when i ask them what they would be hunting with hounds in Washington, it never fails i always get COYOTES.  Now their excuse is over.  But on the other hand, although i dont hunt with dogs, I now of guys in Oregon that use them when they set up to call and use them as decoy dogs and it works great.  So i quess to me the change doesn't mean much, but was wanting everyone elses thoughts.

[JeffRaines]

The reason i am for it is because their are a lot of illegal hound hunters out their and believe me, i have run across a few while out in the woods, and when i ask them what they would be hunting with hounds in Washington, it never fails i always get COYOTES.

Not like much has changed since then, however its much more thinly veiled now.

I was driving down a mainline FS road one August morning and as I was driving I noticed a few piles of bear scat near a creek and thought "oh another bear working this area" just around the corner not 100 yards from the piles there is a truck stopped in the middle of the road, dogs out sniffing around. They seemed miffed that someone had driven up on them, one person was trying to round up the dogs quick. Needless to say when I got out of the woods I called it into the game warden. While I'm all for hound hunting, I'm also for obeying the law.

[shotguunar]

to many hound hunters still running cat in unit 418 saying they were running coyote not to hard for the game department to determine a coyote track from a cat track in the snow

[AWS]

I number of years ago when I was VP of the Wash Predator Hunters I spent a morning in Olympia meeting with the WF&G discussing the ban on dogs while coyote hunting.  One of the reasons was as stated hound hunters running cat with dogs and claiming they were hunting coyotes but one of the reasons were some of the videos of decoy dog killing wounded coyotes and they deemed it to be too close to Dog fighting.

I am an avid coyote hunter, hunting up to five different states every year.  I didn't have a decoy dog but my bird dog would lay alongside of me while I'm calling and let his nose cover all the upwind sides of me, a little growl and I know to turn and look up wind.  Killed a lot of coyotes I might never have seen alone.  I sure missed having him on the hunt with me here in WA, at least he could hunt with me in all the other states.

The way the law is written you can't even kill a coyotes while you have a dog in your goose pit or hunting birds with a dog.  The state told me that that wasn't the idea of the law and didn't think a ticket would be written if it happened but did say it would really be up to the discretion of the officer.

[KFhunter]

I remember something about a wildlife services employee or FS employee from WY??  letting his dogs maul coyote's that were in a foothold trap and youtubing it. 

[zoomia]

This is all super fascinating stuff--really really interesting to read!