Colockum Elk Discussion

[alanger]

I heard a story like that on the Quilomen.. Seattle guys were going around saying that to me at the camp.. I was like you dumb ass.. Your in my camp telling me this b.s. ha ha.. nice try buddy.. but that's not a true story...    56 sounds like it's made up.. I don't believe that story at all.. Like a lot of stories on here that's all they are is stories..   Like when pep fish.... juss sounds like a story to get err body all mad and worked up..

Oh PLEASE!  Quit spreadin the BS whitefoot, I still have the TEXT MESSAGE FROM YOU saying you shot SIX BULL ELK THIS YEAR ALONE!   So yeah I could definitely see a high number of bulls shot from indians like this... have you shot anymore bulls since the WDFW meeting in Eburg???

Michael

Thanks for that michael.

[colockumelk]

And here's a picture of three of those bulls killed in the Colockum last year along with the name of who shot them all.  Anyone that says the Indians practise conservation is kidding themselves.  One Yakama killed more branch bull elk than all Non-Tribal hunters put together.  And this is fact not some racist biased agenda.  Pure fact.  

[boneaddict]

No addresses please!

[Alan K]

 

That's exactly why I don't care for the natives.

[Yak-NDN]

Clockum,



Also what does Page 65 have to do with anything?  My comment was on page 62!  Is this in reference to my comments at the meeting in Ellensburg?  If so the WDFW either lied about the 6,000 or they don't read their own research.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/2009-2011_recommendations/final_2009_03_20/elk_general_seasons_special_permit_regulations.pdf

Go to the above link and scroll down to page 62 and you'll read one of my public comments at the meeting.

My comment which was a tiny part of it says "Go permit only in the Colockum.  Bulls are down 70% in 5 years.  True Spike is not the answer."
Here's their response.  Either they are straight up lying or they don't read their own research.

There are over 6,000hunters that hunt the Colockum elk herd during the general season.  The agency is not ready to implement that drastic of a measure at this time."

If they were to look at their own studies which are at the below links they would know that on average only 4,278 hunters have hunted the Colockum.  And if you look at those numbers over the past 6 years they have been reduced by 56%

2007- 3,893 hunters
2006- 3,964 hunters
2005- 4,253 hunters
2004- 5,002 hunters
2003- 5,232 hunters
2002- 6,948 hunters

Here's the link with that info.  Like I said either they are lying or they need to read their own reports because the number they replied with "6,000" and the latest number of hunters that their reports say "3893" are two very different numbers. 
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/harvest/index.htm


 

Looks like you have your own problems with killing all the future bulls (spikes) maybe you should worrying about the state doing more conservation before all the bulls are killed and quit trying to point the finger totally on the Tribe. With the numbers like that the elk don't stand a chance if you kill all the spikes you don't have any to mature to bulls.
Like I said before I don't fallow the same hunting practices as some others and If I did kill multiple bulls in one year I wouldn't be parading them off.

[alanger]

That's exactly why I don't care for the natives.

Slimming the chances for someone that actually draws for a trophy tag thru wdfw to suceed on a hunt!

[colockumelk]

YAK I never said that the low bull to cow ratio in the Colockum was completely the Yakama's fault.  But it is a contributing factor.  There are many issues I'd like to deal with.  The unregulated hunting by Yakama's is just one of those.  And if you had been to that meeting I never once said anything about the Yakama's.  I only talked about fixing the spike recruitment problem.  If you don't believe me ask MichaelJ or Whitefoot.  They were both there.  Of course Whitefoot left as soon as I was done so I didnt' have the chance to talk to him.   

[whacker1]

As you pointed out - the number of State hunters has dropped from almost 7000 to less than 4000 in 5 years.  If this pace continues over the next few years the spike recruitment should improve slightly based on fewer spikes being taken from the herd.  But it will ultimately take all parties to make a concerted effort to get that herd back to a positive position.

[teal101]

Clockum,



Also what does Page 65 have to do with anything?  My comment was on page 62!  Is this in reference to my comments at the meeting in Ellensburg?  If so the WDFW either lied about the 6,000 or they don't read their own research.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/seasonsetting/2009-2011_recommendations/final_2009_03_20/elk_general_seasons_special_permit_regulations.pdf

Go to the above link and scroll down to page 62 and you'll read one of my public comments at the meeting.

My comment which was a tiny part of it says "Go permit only in the Colockum.  Bulls are down 70% in 5 years.  True Spike is not the answer."
Here's their response.  Either they are straight up lying or they don't read their own research.

There are over 6,000hunters that hunt the Colockum elk herd during the general season.  The agency is not ready to implement that drastic of a measure at this time."

If they were to look at their own studies which are at the below links they would know that on average only 4,278 hunters have hunted the Colockum.  And if you look at those numbers over the past 6 years they have been reduced by 56%

2007- 3,893 hunters
2006- 3,964 hunters
2005- 4,253 hunters
2004- 5,002 hunters
2003- 5,232 hunters
2002- 6,948 hunters

Here's the link with that info.  Like I said either they are lying or they need to read their own reports because the number they replied with "6,000" and the latest number of hunters that their reports say "3893" are two very different numbers. 
http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/harvest/index.htm


 

Looks like you have your own problems with killing all the future bulls (spikes) maybe you should worrying about the state doing more conservation before all the bulls are killed and quit trying to point the finger totally on the Tribe. With the numbers like that the elk don't stand a chance if you kill all the spikes you don't have any to mature to bulls.
Like I said before I don't fallow the same hunting practices as some others and If I did kill multiple bulls in one year I wouldn't be parading them off.

We have our own problems and the tribes sure as hell aren't helping with them.  Theres many problems with the clockum elk herd.  You'd think the tribes since you are supposed to be all buddy buddy with nature would want whats best for the herd.  All I see is us asking you guys to join us in the fight to save the elk and us getting a cold shoulder because of your selfish greedy ways.

[colockumelk]

YAK you need to be a little more understanding of our situation instead of being so defensive.  You want more regulation on us.  How much more regulated can it get.  It's a 9 day true spike only season during an undesirable time period for harvests.  What more can they give up?  Where you're people on the other hand can hunt for branch bulls 365 days a year.  Who has it better here?  We all need to give and take.  I already know that spike recruitment is a major problem but when you have Whitefoot and others each killing 6 branch bulls a year in a population that is already depleted that doesn't help either.  We have regulations. Do you?   

[colockumelk]

Also the WDFW has put tougher restrictions on us to improve the spike recruitment problem and the overall health of the herd.  In the last 5 years they have taken the muzzle loader season away, they have made it spike only for archers and now they have made it True Spike only.  All in trying to improve wildlife managment.  Now my question for you and I doubt you'll actually answer this question is what has the Yakama's done to enhance the elk herd in the Colockum?

So we've given up stuff for the advancement of wildlife managment.  We're sick of giving and giving while all you do is take.  Maybe it's time for you guys to give up or sacrifice something to actually do something positive for the elk herd. 

[bearmanric]

we dont even want to talk about the coast. next weekend opener bear.  thank god they dont get out of there rig's or the elk would be gone. sad but hunting has come to the end shortly for the white man. were out numbered. game department can care less about us. with all the cutback's on predator season's and and wolf now. and indian killing the elk at an alarming rate. i was at lick creek last september i witnessed the elk head's on the road's horn's cutoff and just the head's. also several big bull's found dead. alot of pissed of bowhunters. i got the hell out of there. there killing big group's out of the olympic herd. the indian girl's driving car's with babys in back and a white guy in the passenger side with rifle two like that seen them every weekend. makes me sick. the elk are gone for the most part. i understand how you feel about the collockum. we have about as much as a chance as us getting back bear baiting. you will never stop it. not the way whashington is. Rick

[Yak-NDN]

we dont even want to talk about the coast. next weekend opener bear.  thank god they dont get out of there rig's or the elk would be gone. sad but hunting has come to the end shortly for the white man. were out numbered. game department can care less about us. with all the cutback's on predator season's and and wolf now. and indian killing the elk at an alarming rate. i was at lick creek last september i witnessed the elk head's on the road's horn's cutoff and just the head's. also several big bull's found dead. alot of pissed of bowhunters. i got the hell out of there. there killing big group's out of the olympic herd. the indian girl's driving car's with babys in back and a white guy in the passenger side with rifle two like that seen them every weekend. makes me sick. the elk are gone for the most part. i understand how you feel about the collockum. we have about as much as a chance as us getting back bear baiting. you will never stop it. not the way whashington is. Rick

This shows just how you people are, all on hear say they wouldn't hunt year around if they could or use their privileges well this man has seen it with is own eyes, (A white guy) some guy finds Pocahontas and he thinks he is Indian and start killing all the elk I told you non tribal member are a bigger problem. I don't think it is OK for anyone to go out and just start shooting elk because he can. When you all talk about it is OK to kill all the spikes because the state is trying to help that don't work for me, I you don't like to be pinched with short seasons and tight regulations maybe you people should use birth control hell all the Indian's on the rez have never heard of birth control and they have not populated enough to swamp the woods like the state, the state kills 10 times the animals than the Tribe, it takes the Tribe all year and it only takes the state a few short weeks. An elk is an elk it don't mater to me if it is a bull or cow my preference is neither one I like calf's but I would be lying if I said I would pass up on a trophy bull because I wouldn't but my trophy and most of yours is quiet different, And just a reminder to all I have never had one scored or sold any. I don't know how many elk the tribe is killing out of the colock but I am positive it is not what you all make it seem like I said before just give me a guess on how many are Tribal kills and show me the pics.  I am not against you non tribal members I just don't like that you think we are all the same.  I just like to argue and try to keep false info out and keep the one sided people from feeding everyone a bunch of bull *censored*.

[Up a Creek]

I thought it was said in an earlier post that taking picks wouldnt do any good. I'm bringing my camera and Yak please try to respond to Clockum elks last 2 posts better I would like to see your defence.

[colockumelk]

I knew he wouldn't respond.  They never do.  BTW Yak I did take pics.  I took pics of one guy with more bulls from that area than all of "US" put together from that year.  Where's you're pics of "US" chasing the elk around ragged looking for sheds?