What will it take (a wolf thing)

[Karl Blanchard]

I didnt label "you" specifically as a wolf hater as I tried to clarify in my last post.  Its difficult to properly articulate a point in text, especially talk to text

I hunt all the states that you just mentioned every single year (literally all of them annually) for going on two decades so I'm very much aware how different they are than Washington and the different habitats, populations, etc.  And while all are uniquely different they still have thriving wolf populations while still maintaining or in lots of cases INCREASING populations of elk (not oaks ). 

I think you misunderstood what I meant by Wyoming is not hunting wolves.  The residents of that state are not buying wolf tags and going out and shooting wolves. Just like the residents of Washington are not. Is the state killing them absolutely.  But is that the same thing is having the masses out there hunting them and conditioning them to be scared of any presence man?  No it is not.

[KFhunter]

That's your opinion about hate being reserved for evil humans

Yes, it's also my opinion that to hate is to humanize, and I'm far from an animal rights activist that humanizes animals, humanizing animals is giving ammunition to activists.

[Karl Blanchard]

That's your opinion about hate being reserved for evil humans

Yes, it's also my opinion that to hate is to humanize, and I'm far from an animal rights activist that humanizes animals, humanizing animals is giving ammunition to activists.

accurate

[WildlifeAssassin]

Here is the director’s statement on wolves

https://elknetwork.com/wdfw-director-weighs-in-on-wolves-wolf-management/

Overpopulation of humans is the cause of nearly all problems, 7.67 billion and counting. That said we need to be more aggressive in our balancing of wolf populations. There is too many in the NE, let’s capture the surplus, dump them in the steets of Seattle and let them take care of the homeless heroin addicts. Then the hippies can have their very own Yellowstone in the city.

[Karl Blanchard]

Here is the director’s statement on wolves

https://elknetwork.com/wdfw-director-weighs-in-on-wolves-wolf-management/

Overpopulation of humans is the cause of nearly all problems, 7.67 billion and counting. That said we need to be more aggressive in our balancing of wolf populations. There is too many in the NE, let’s capture the surplus, dump them in the steets of Seattle and let them take care of the homeless heroin addicts. Then the hippies can have their very own Yellowstone in the city.

yes 😂😂😂😂😂

[wolfbait]

Here is the director’s statement on wolves

https://elknetwork.com/wdfw-director-weighs-in-on-wolves-wolf-management/

Overpopulation of humans is the cause of nearly all problems, 7.67 billion and counting. That said we need to be more aggressive in our balancing of wolf populations. There is too many in the NE, let’s capture the surplus, dump them in the steets of Seattle and let them take care of the homeless heroin addicts. Then the hippies can have their very own Yellowstone in the city.

Did he ever express any concern for the ungulates? I didn't hear anything.. WDF&Wolves..

[idahohuntr]

My point is and has been we need to call a spade a spade and be man enough to realize that the issues we have with ungulates has far less to do with Wolves than it does bigger factors like winter range, summer range, habitat in general, and over Harvest by all user groups including predators.

One trend I'm seeing in these wolf threads is guys who hunt multiple areas, states, and species and really get after it have a much more clear perspective on the threats faced by ungulates in the Western US.

Those who hunt one little corner of the world frequently try to extrapolate their observations and they simply lack a real understanding about elk and deer beyond their front porch.

[KFhunter]

One trend I'm seeing in these wolf threads is guys who hunt multiple areas, states, and species and really get after it have a much more clear perspective on the threats faced by ungulates in the Western US.

Those who hunt one little corner of the world frequently try to extrapolate their observations and they simply lack a real understanding about elk and deer beyond their front porch.

I guess you'd be the expert Sarah Palin 

I live in the blues...watch bulls year round from my living room. 

and yet still you go to Idaho to hunt,  off a family members hayfield.   



Listen, I'm sick of you attacking me, trying to minimize my opinion.  You know nothing about me and never will.

[MtnMuley]

One trend I'm seeing in these wolf threads is guys who hunt multiple areas, states, and species and really get after it have a much more clear perspective on the threats faced by ungulates in the Western US.

Those who hunt one little corner of the world frequently try to extrapolate their observations and they simply lack a real understanding about elk and deer beyond their front porch.

I guess you'd be the expert Sarah Palin 

I live in the blues...watch bulls year round from my living room. 

and yet still you go to Idaho to hunt,  off a family members hayfield.   



Listen, I'm sick of you attacking me, trying to minimize my opinion.  You know nothing about me and never will.

Don't let a measly little liberal fish bio get under your skin.

[boneaddict]

Don't pick on him too much, after all, by his definitionc "guys who hunt multiple areas, states, and species and really get after it have a much more clear perspective on the threats faced by ungulates in the Western US."   We should be frickin genius!

[Special T]

Don't pick on him too much, after all, by his definitionc "guys who hunt multiple areas, states, and species and really get after it have a much more clear perspective on the threats faced by ungulates in the Western US."   We should be frickin genius!

As some one whom has proved his chops via photographic evidence that he "gets after it" I'm always more curious to hear what Bone has to say on these issues.

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[idaho guy]

Department of Fun and Games hands are tied on this problem.  This was the Feds big idea.  The best we can hope for is to get them delisted so the WDFW can open a hunting season on them to try and control the population.

I am pretty sure they are federally delisted in eastern Washington? wdfw could authorize a hunt tomorrow. wdfw hands are not tied on controlling wolves in eastern Washington it appears to be their choice

[Humptulips]

Department of Fun and Games hands are tied on this problem.  This was the Feds big idea.  The best we can hope for is to get them delisted so the WDFW can open a hunting season on them to try and control the population.

I am pretty sure they are federally delisted in eastern Washington? wdfw could authorize a hunt tomorrow. wdfw hands are not tied on controlling wolves in eastern Washington it appears to be their choice

Their hands were tied when the Commission adopted the Wolf Recovery plan. Without redoing the plan there would be a slew of lawsuits follow if they diverged from it and probably our fine Governor would veto it like he did when the Commission tried to diverge from the Cougar management plan.
I'm betting it would take a minimum of a year most likely more to write a new wolf management plan.

[idaho guy]

Once again KF, I very much am not trying to argue specifically with you and I feel we are very much on the same page when it comes to the fact that we need to hunt wolves.  I just don't like that the wolf is being blamed for so many things that it shouldn't be blamed for. You initially responded to my comment and we started this back and forth and I did not intent to single you out in my arguments. 

My point is and has been we need to call a spade a spade and be man enough to realize that the issues we have with ungulates has far less to do with Wolves than it does bigger factors like winter range, summer range, habitat in general, and over Harvest by all user groups including predators. Another point I made and special T reiterated is our lack of involvement as a group in the discussion. I self-admittedly I'm one of those offenders. My goal for this coming year is to attend at least two meetings somewhere in the state. Since Central Washington is a redheaded stepchild of the whole state we are very much left out of the conversation but I'm dedicated to making the drive east or west do you have my voice heard. I challenge all hunting Washington members to make the same commitment.

We aren't far off in our opinions but I feel like you've branded me a wolf hater that thinks all wolves must die and that's far from the truth.  I know they're here to stay, the ranchers around me all know that they're here to stay as well.   

Literally no one actually thinks there's even a slight hope of eliminating all the wolves, but opinions vary greatly on how many wolves we should have though 

For what it’s worth I think you are both right.    I decided I also hate wolf threads! But as much as I don’t want to comment I can’t help myself. Kf what you pointed out is correct there were wolves already here and they brought in the WRONG wolf.   Also I think you need to kill 50 plus percent to stay even with the population each year so ya going to 365 day hunting season won’t reduce the population by itself. Killing wolves in the panhandle of Idaho is tough and much of Washington would be the same.I agree 100 percent with Karl too. Over harvest by hunting can be a problem and I worry about this in Idaho with the two deer and two elk option. I have taken advantage of this and killed two Idaho deer more than a few times I have also killed two elk. My main concern is for mule deer and especially quality of our deer so quit killing 2 Idaho deer karl I don’t think I will personally buy two deer tags in Idaho again. I focused on deer hunting with my son this year and he got a huge mulie buck so I didn’t even shoot 1 Idaho deer this year. I did reduce the Montana deer population though!I also agree with habitat loss and lack of logging has been a huge negative for elk and deer. I also don’t hate wolves for being wolves but I hate what liberals allowed them to do to our herds through mindless lawsuits etc. I love to hunt lions too and certain people mainly deer hunters always want to kill them all! I totally disagree with this and always let lions go every year because I want them around forever. But we kill them every year too because I want deer too. I don’t think we can play god but we can and should manage wildlife and especially predators. If anyone doubts how devastating wolves can be should look at the Yellowstone elk herd 19000 to around or less than 2000. To the original point if the majority of hunters all agreed not to buy a license in one year that would get their attention and I bet they would have a few meetings closer than 3 hours to where you live! I think anti hunters did aggressively push wolf reintroduction to eliminate hunting by eliminating surplus game.  Not just wolves they want all predators to overpopulate. Well meaning hunters are already arguing over limiting seasons and tags to help the herds but it won’t matter what hunters do with uncontrolled predators one wolf will take at least 20 to 30 animals per year and a lion kills 52 deer a year! Quit fighting and gang up you need 100 plus hunters at a meeting. Problem is most hunters have jobs and families and seems like the other side has all the time in the world

[idaho guy]

Department of Fun and Games hands are tied on this problem.  This was the Feds big idea.  The best we can hope for is to get them delisted so the WDFW can open a hunting season on them to try and control the population.

I am pretty sure they are federally delisted in eastern Washington? wdfw could authorize a hunt tomorrow. wdfw hands are not tied on controlling wolves in eastern Washington it appears to be their choice

Their hands were tied when the Commission adopted the Wolf Recovery plan. Without redoing the plan there would be a slew of lawsuits follow if they diverged from it and probably our fine Governor would veto it like he did when the Commission tried to diverge from the Cougar management plan.
I'm betting it would take a minimum of a year most likely more to write a new wolf management plan.

 :tup:thanks for clarification! Little more complicated than just delisting