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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2018, 12:01:21 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state! Translocation is in the wolf plan!  :rolleyes:

(I completely understand westside hunters and rural residents not wanting wolves!)
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2018, 12:05:53 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan rewritten was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2018, 12:13:06 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

??  :dunno:
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2018, 12:15:31 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

??  :dunno:
2017 session vs 2018 season.... :dunno:

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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2018, 12:18:07 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

??  :dunno:
2017 session vs 2018 season.... :dunno:

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Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

I'm sorry but this makes no sense to me, what were you trying to say?
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2018, 12:18:45 PM »
I  fixed my post (twice). Not saving when I hit save.

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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2018, 12:25:57 PM »
In 2017 Kretz introduced a bill to fix the flawed wolf plan, it died in committee.

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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2018, 12:36:46 PM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan rewritten was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

You are allowed your opinion, I have my opinion, not surprisingly they are not the same!  :tup:
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2018, 12:41:58 PM »
You do realize the bill we both are referring to passed unanimously through the house? Not accurate to say wolves are not welcomed. Frustrations led to the bill no doubt but try to be accurate in your recount.

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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2018, 07:43:12 AM »
Many eastsiders want wolves moved west, it's the only way to get the east delisted by the state!  :rolleyes:
Kretz bill to have have the flawed wolf plan rewritten was very respectable. His last attempt backfired.

I had to find the bill, I was referring to Kretz's 2013 bill to move wolves to the San Juan Islands (Senator Ranker's district).
https://komonews.com/news/local/its-a-stupid-bill-and-its-a-waste-of-our-resources
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"OK, all of you who love wolves and advocate them in the state, I want you to be able to share in all the benefits in having a wolf pack," said Rep. Joel Kretz, R-Wauconda, who represents the northeast corner of the state where many of Washington's eight confirmed packs roam.

"It's a stupid bill, and it's a waste of our resources," said Sen. Kevin Ranker, D-Orcas Island.

Kretz's measure, House Bill 1258, suggests moving gray wolves to the Olympic Peninsula and the San Juan Islands - a jab, Ranker noted, directed at him, since the plan would send the animals to his district. Ranker was a vocal critic of last fall's state-sanctioned killing of a wolf pack that had repeatedly killed on rancher's cattle in Stevens County.


Kretz made more serious attempts in following years and in 2018 Kretz's bill passed the house, I'm not sure if it passed the senate? I'm not sure why you thought it back fired? The fact is the only way the wolf plan will delist eastern WA is if western WA has wolf packs. The following explains the situation:

https://www.capitalpress.com/state/washington/washington-house-oks-bill-to-move-wolves/article_008b2fe5-f92c-5cb1-8816-cd48c783d1ca.html
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House Bill 2771 now goes to the Senate, where it could be blocked by senators concerned that their districts would be on the short list of places to introduce wolves. The House bill moved because the chairman of the Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee, Aberdeen Democrat Brian Blake, set aside his opposition and let the bill through for a vote.

The bill was supported by a few westside lawmakers with rural constituents, but the lopsided vote was driven by eastside Republicans and urban Democrats.

Cattle Producers of Washington President Scott Nielsen, a Stevens County rancher, said he understands resistance to taking in wolves. Still, he said that he supports the bill because translocation would expand support for protecting livestock and the public from wolves.

“While I don’t wish wolves on anyone, it will bring the rest of agriculture and rural folks into the fight,” Nielsen said. “It’s a social battle, and the best way to win a social battle is to have as many people on the same page as us.”

Nielsen said regional de-listing would be a better way to help northeast Washington ranchers who are losing cattle.

“I understand why people don’t want wolves in their backyard because I’m in the same boat,” he said. “We’ll welcome them into the fight.”

Under the bill, WDFW would look for places without wolves, but with enough prey to feed them. A review to satisfy the State Environmental Policy Act could take a year or longer and would be further complicated by the fact that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has jurisdiction over wolves in Western Washington.
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2018, 08:54:43 AM »
When the state DOESN'T manage after they move them.  We will send the thank you cards to Kretz for his successful ideas. I didn't see anyone who supports the consumption of wildlife celebrating his last bill.  I did however see a ton of optimism from the extreme environmental side.  So if that was his goal, good for him(and you).

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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2019, 05:39:08 PM »
When the state DOESN'T manage after they move them.  We will send the thank you cards to Kretz for his successful ideas. I didn't see anyone who supports the consumption of wildlife celebrating his last bill.  I did however see a ton of optimism from the extreme environmental side.  So if that was his goal, good for him(and you).

Kretz has been elected overwhelmingly by residents of NE WA for multiple terms as has Short and now Macomber is also very popular in our district. They are doing what they have to do to try and get wolf management in their legislative district. It has been proven we cannot depend on westside legislators or WDFW to look out for NE WA.   :twocents:
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Re: Wolf livestock attacks double in Washington
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2019, 05:41:38 PM »
https://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_wolf/updates.php

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Three more depredations by OPT pack confirmed in Ferry County
January 11, 2019

On Jan. 4, WDFW staff were informed of dead livestock by the Stevens-Ferry County Wildlife Specialist on a U.S. Forest Service grazing allotment in Ferry County. The livestock producer and ranch staff were actively looking for a few cow-calf pairs remaining on the allotment along the Kettle Crest. The carcasses were discovered through investigation of wolf location information provided to the livestock producer by the County Wildlife Specialist. The carcasses were within the OPT pack territory.  The producer who owns the depredated livestock is the same producer that experienced wolf depredations by the OPT pack in 2018. The carcasses were discovered northwest of the allotment where the 2018 depredations occurred.

On Jan. 3, the producer searched the area of the reported wolf location information and discovered one live cow and two calf carcasses. The live cow was removed from the area by the producer and was reported to have no injuries. Due to the remote location of the carcasses and lack of daylight, WDFW staff could not reach the area to investigate the dead livestock until Jan. 5. During the investigation of the carcasses initially reported, department staff found and conducted an investigation on an additional cow carcass discovered in close proximity to the others. In total, staff investigated and confirmed three wolf depredations. The three carcasses (two calves and one cow) were within 850 meters of one another.

Investigation of the first calf revealed partial consumption of the internal organs and back half of the carcass. External examination of the hide indicated bite lacerations and puncture wounds on the right and left hindquarter. Lacerations and puncture wounds were present on the inner and outer portion of both legs. Skinning the carcass on the left and right hindquarters revealed hemorrhaging of the muscle tissue.

The remains of the second calf included the vertebral column and two front legs attached to a piece of hide. All of the soft tissue except the remaining hide had been consumed or removed, and the ribs and one of the long bones had been chewed and broken. There was evidence on the hide of significant hemorrhaging in the left armpit of the calf.

The investigation of the cow carcass revealed significant wounds and consumption of the soft tissues of the head and puncture wounds above the hock on the left rear leg. Skinning the leg revealed significant hemorrhaging and tissue damage immediately underlying those wounds.

The damage to all three of the carcasses investigated was indicative of wolf depredation and wolf tracks were documented at each site. In addition, GPS data from the radio-collared wolf in the OPT pack showed he was in the immediate vicinity during the time of the incidents. The data were also consistent with the age of tracks found at the site during the investigation. The locations and sign further suggest that the wolves involved in the depredations remained in the immediate vicinity for about a week.

No proactive wolf deterrents were in place because cattle were presumed by department staff to be off the grazing allotment. The vast majority of the livestock had been removed almost two months earlier. Deep snow (24-40 inches), avalanche conditions, and the distance from vehicles (more than 10 miles away) prevented WDFW staff or the livestock producer from removing the carcasses or deploying other responsive deterrents. No other livestock were detected in the area.

Previously, the OPT pack was implicated in a total of 16 depredations (13 injured and three killed livestock) in under two months. The additional depredations bring the total to 19 depredations (13 injured and six killed livestock) since Sept. 4, 2018.

On Nov. 13, WDFW Director Kelly Susewind paused action seeking to lethally remove the two remaining wolves from the OPT pack that repeatedly preyed on cattle in Ferry County. WDFW staff previously attempted to remove the remaining two wolves in the pack multiple times over a two-week period, but were unable to locate the uncollared pack member due to the dense forest canopy.

Director Susewind is now reassessing this situation and considering next steps.
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