The real problem with predator control

[KFhunter]

Wouldn't they have to get a permit?  like a fur handlers permit?

Maybe if they didn't resale them.



The tribes are buying fish heads, maybe routing this through the tribe somehow would work.  Instead of fish heads it could be coyote tails.

[brew]

hounds

[hunter399]

Go fund me coyote bounty.
Start a go fund me March 1 ,collect money through the year till December ,january and February are the only months bounty is given.If any money is left March 1 it is used for trace mineral salt blocks scattered all over the state for deer ,elk,moose that are having fawns.

[Cougartail]

Wouldn't they have to get a permit?  like a fur handlers permit?

Maybe if they didn't resale them.



The tribes are buying fish heads, maybe routing this through the tribe somehow would work.  Instead of fish heads it could be coyote tails.

If you resell them yes.. Easy to do.  Between donations and revenue from sales I'll bet it would expand quickly.

[Bigshooter]

I see a lot of talk about wanting the state to do something about predator control. . Yea well even if we get the state to change it will take a couple years for any plan to go into action.

Here is what I think is the main problem. How many times have you heard the following from other hunters:
I only hunt deer
I don't like bear meat
I am all for coyote hunting. Please keep killing them for me.
I only hunt what I can eat
They're too fast / can't bow hunt them
I used to hunt coyotes.
I don't like gutting bears.
Bears are too cute/likeable.
Coyote hunting sounds fun. But I'm too busy this year.
I don't want to drive that far for predator hunting
Wife/girlfriend won't let me kill cats/bears
I like cats, couldn't shoot one
Bears/Cougars are too hard without bait/hounds
Someone should do something about the predators

There is only one way to effectively manage predators.  And that is to use tools that we are not allowed to use in WA.  Such as dogs, bait and steel traps.  Without these things there is no such thing as predator control.

[bearpaw]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

Bad idea.  The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system.  If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.

I certainly wouldn't be against F4W version in Washington but I'm not sure how it would work other than possibly coyotes   

We can't usually take more than one species of big game predator except bear on the west side (limit 2) w4m is paying for wolf trappers,  if we ever get to hunt the wolf it won't be more than a special draw or 1 wolf bag limit annually.   

It's not even easy to just get a coyote derby permit here in WA, coyote madness failed this year, if it was easy (or didn't require a permit in the first place) we'd have yote hunters out there trying to knock down some yotes, possibly even giving our antelope a better chance at keeping fawns. WDFW makes it a complicated and lengthy process.  Bearpaw knows more about this than I do.  https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,233490.0.html


Can anyone imagine WDFW giving a thing like foundation for wildlife management a green light to pay the equivalent of bounties?


I'm all ears, instead of crapping on ideas how about coming up with some 

The key to how F4W works is that they are not paying a bounty, they are paying expense reimbursements for hunters making legal kills. You have to photocopy your receipts of expenses and send them to get reimbursed. Depending on area of kill you can get reimbursed for expenses up to $1000 per wolf. I think that includes reimbursement for trucks, snowmobiles, fuel, traps, guns, etc purchased for hunting wolves. I do think the same thing may be possible for coyotes, bear, and/or cougar in WA, unless there is something in the law preventing reimbursements? A person would have to question WDFW very specifically.

For example on how specific wording makes a difference: We can't hold a hunting contest based on the number of animals killed unless we have a permit. But, we can hold photo contests of harvested animals if it's based on the best photo.

[Axle]

The solution is easy to figure out.
The problem is - people behind a desk are calling the shots and people with voting ballots are changing the rules.
And that is a bad combination!

[konradcountry]

My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System.  PIPS


Shooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window.  The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.

I think this is a good idea but you would have to be really careful in this state. 

The King County and California voters association of Washington would flip out over the idea of a bounty system for any furry predators. 

But I think it is still worth exploring.

[konradcountry]

There is only one way to effectively manage predators.  And that is to use tools that we are not allowed to use in WA.  Such as dogs, bait and steel traps.  Without these things there is no such thing as predator control.

I'm not convinced that our predator problems would go away if bait and dogs were allowed. A decrease sure but I'm not convinced that is the main problem.

There are a lot of tools for coyote hunting yet there are areas where they are everywhere. In fact when it comes to coyote we have very few restrictions outside of trapping. A lot of states don't allow night hunting of any kind and also restrict seasons/calibers.

[Tracker0721]

I usually do a lot of coyote hunting and the only issue I see is we can’t use foothold traps. I’ve got a million places i’d have traps on my way to work. There’s enough guys out blaring their foxpros, the issue is those that are serious and dedicating days off and weeknights to go call are calling educated dogs. Footholds would be awesome. Hounds for cougar and bear would be great too. Not only be able to harvest more but to be able to identify sex and age before shooting. Smarter and more efficient predator control.

[KFhunter]

I usually do a lot of coyote hunting and the only issue I see is we can’t use foothold traps. I’ve got a million places i’d have traps on my way to work. There’s enough guys out blaring their foxpros, the issue is those that are serious and dedicating days off and weeknights to go call are calling educated dogs. Footholds would be awesome. Hounds for cougar and bear would be great too. Not only be able to harvest more but to be able to identify sex and age before shooting. Smarter and more efficient predator control.

Oh, man to have footholds again....I'd slay em.  I've been building snowmobile trails all over the place and the dogs just LOVE snowmobile trails.


foot holds are a fantasy though, with protected wolves roaming around there's zero chance of changing that any time soon.  Perhaps if the wolves do so much damage on the west side public sentiment changes drastically....

[wheels]

guilty  to a point  on not wanting to ruin deer hunt by blasting yote   only ever had chance at one bear would like to get into hunting them more not just having tag in pocket  have my cougar tag as well never seen one ever wsince spending more time chasing elk on firing center  its almost impossible to not see a yote and get snow it looks like there are hundreds would love to get over there  just for them  maybe different gun  also maybe state do some kind of bounty on yotes  or earn deer elk tag  or something like that