Have corn pond complexes affected your 2018 duck season?

[huntnfmly]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

[KopperBuck]

I don't like more rules than the next guy, but common sense needs to apply. It's a way around to achieve the same thing that is illegal. Can anyone deny that with a straight face? Seriously, that's exactly what this is. EXACTLY.

If this was elk or deer we were talking about with such grey lines it wouldn't be the same discussion.

[KopperBuck]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

As many have stated it's a bigger problem than what's fair.  It could potentially be very detrimental in several ways, one being disease.  A huge threat when you congregate any species.

They congregate in large numbers already  along thier migration so I don't see that as a valid argument.
  What this really comes down to is people feeling that it's not fair so let's stop somebody else that's only going to shoot all sportsman in the foot

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/state_news/disease-killing-hundreds-of-ducks-other-birds-near-tri-cities/article_d92fe75e-e416-11e6-bafd-1b0d4df39e88.html

[vandeman17]

I don't like more rules than the next guy, but common sense needs to apply. It's a way around to achieve the same thing that is illegal. Can anyone deny that with a straight face? Seriously, that's exactly what this is. EXACTLY.

If this was elk or deer we were talking about with such grey lines it wouldn't be the same discussion.

 

[huntnfmly]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

As many have stated it's a bigger problem than what's fair.  It could potentially be very detrimental in several ways, one being disease.  A huge threat when you congregate any species.

They congregate in large numbers already  along thier migration so I don't see that as a valid argument.
  What this really comes down to is people feeling that it's not fair so let's stop somebody else that's only going to shoot all sportsman in the foot

https://www.yakimaherald.com/news/state_news/disease-killing-hundreds-of-ducks-other-birds-near-tri-cities/article_d92fe75e-e416-11e6-bafd-1b0d4df39e88.html

Thanks for the link but that makes a point that they congregate in great numbers already

[JBG]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

EWU my points are all spot on    At the end of the day this is wanting what someone else has plain and simple.  Corn Complexes are not new and dont have an effect on season 2018 any more or less than they did on season 2017, 2016 etc etc.  The reason 2018 is so poor is the weather.  If Canada was locked in snow and ice things would be much different for the public land hunter regardless of corn complexes.  Take away the complexes and public areas will still be poorly managed, over pressured, with less birds in the general area. 

[EWUeagles]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

[EWUeagles]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

EWU my points are all spot on    At the end of the day this is wanting what someone else has plain and simple.  Corn Complexes are not new and dont have an effect on season 2018 any more or less than they did on season 2017, 2016 etc etc.  The reason 2018 is so poor is the weather.  If Canada was locked in snow and ice things would be much different for the public land hunter regardless of corn complexes.  Take away the complexes and public areas will still be poorly managed, over pressured, with less birds in the general area.

I will give you two things, 1) waterfowl hunting is very weather dependent 2) our public lands in this state is very poorly managed and that won't ever change. You have to admit though that corn complexes hold more birds than that would naturally go to those areas. This does effect where birds go and effect if they would go to public land. Once you see a mile long stretch of ducks on a private corn complex it may change your mind. I understand you're trying to call everyone jealous but I don't think that's the case with everyone. I don't want to see everyone's hard work go down the crapper but there has to be a middle ground with these complexes. Do I know what it is? Nope but I'm sure there's something out there.

[JBG]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

EWU in your big game scenario is there anything stopping the public from putting out feed to draw the elk/deer back to public land?  If not why dont we get more public habitat that matches private habitat and level the playing field in that manner? 
Has anyone here hunted Sauvie Is Oregon?  It has a great public area that has flooded corn and it is surrounded by private clubs with flooded corn.  At times the WA shoots way better than the private clubs.  Depends on wind and hunting pressure. 

[vandeman17]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

I agree EWU but to add to your point, at least the elk on those private grounds have to walk to get to where they are going and that could bring them over places that can be hunted. Birds are different in that they can fly directly to these ponds and be there all season. Huge difference.

If anyone can honestly say that this large of a scale doesn't influence where birds want to go and thus effecting the surrounding area's hunting opportunities, I don't know what to say. This has nothing to do with taking away other's rights but more so leveling the playing field based on the INTENTION of a rule/law and not how to get around it.

[huntnfmly]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

Not being a waterfowler I still understand what's going on and your elk example is spot on and that would suck but there would still be elk in the area and actually might bring more in therefore I would just hunt the area different.
  That looks like what is going on with this corn complex and so I understand people's feelings about it but once again back to the bigger picture we cannot keep trying to take away legal hunting practices regardless of how we feel.
  Look at hound hunting/baiting bears how about the baiting deer and elk changes that just took place

[EWUeagles]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

Not being a waterfowler I still understand what's going on and your elk example is spot on and that would suck but there would still be elk in the area and actually might bring more in therefore I would just hunt the area different.
  That looks like what is going on with this corn complex and so I understand people's feelings about it but once again back to the bigger picture we cannot keep trying to take away legal hunting practices regardless of how we feel.
  Look at hound hunting/baiting bears how about the baiting deer and elk changes that just took place

I never said there would be more elk. There would be more less elk for the same amount of people who hunted it. Would you as an individual still harvest an elk? Probably but would the size of the success rate go down for you? Very likely. The success rate the whole would also go down. That's what I believe corn complexes are doing.

I think limiting the size of your bait for deer and elk isn't a bad thing. I have never hunted over bait so maybe I'm missing something.

[EWUeagles]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

EWU in your big game scenario is there anything stopping the public from putting out feed to draw the elk/deer back to public land?  If not why dont we get more public habitat that matches private habitat and level the playing field in that manner? 
Has anyone here hunted Sauvie Is Oregon?  It has a great public area that has flooded corn and it is surrounded by private clubs with flooded corn.  At times the WA shoots way better than the private clubs.  Depends on wind and hunting pressure.

Yes the public can't put out 1000 acre corn complex with 40 ponds haha. Our state land management will never be able to match what a private business with unlimited money can do. I'm for bringing the playing field level in a way that is actually doable.s.

[huntnfmly]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

Not being a waterfowler I still understand what's going on and your elk example is spot on and that would suck but there would still be elk in the area and actually might bring more in therefore I would just hunt the area different.
  That looks like what is going on with this corn complex and so I understand people's feelings about it but once again back to the bigger picture we cannot keep trying to take away legal hunting practices regardless of how we feel.
  Look at hound hunting/baiting bears how about the baiting deer and elk changes that just took place

I never said there would be more elk. There would be more less elk for the same amount of people who hunted it. Would you as an individual still harvest an elk? Probably but would the size of the success rate go down for you? Very likely. The success rate the whole would also go down. That's what I believe corn complexes are doing.

I think limiting the size of your bait for deer and elk isn't a bad thing. I have never hunted over bait so maybe I'm missing something.

I believe that in your elk scenario that more elk may travel thru public land to get to the private ranch which in many areas they already do and the feed helps.
   I actually agree with you about the corn complex you guys are talking about it doesn't seem fair but this is a big but  it's legal and once again we cannot take away legal hunting practices from others just because we don't like it.
  Private lands benefit all wildlife.
  Here's a really stupid example but it might make sense.
  Say the whole basin you guys hunt dried up and the only place that has water were these corn complexes do we take away their ability to attract waterfowl to the area which would keep them coming into the area or just make it so no birds come in at all.
  I know that is a really stupid and impossible scenario but I think it makes point. So don't laugh too hard at me for that😆😆

[EWUeagles]

JBG made a good point do we start banning hunting from boats because it effects shore hunters.
  Like he mentioned hunt around point X. I'm not a waterfowler so this doesn't effect me as much as some of you but what does effect all of us is the let's ban it because I can't or don't agree with the way someone is doing it way of thinking

JBG comparing corn complexes to owning a boat is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Most people who boat hunt still hunt from shore haha. Boat hunting only allows you to get to a spot faster and maybe with less work. It doesn't physically draw ducks to you or keep ducks in an area because you are using a boat. I'm not saying I'm against corn complexes but his points are all pretty bad. Ducks do move their migration patterns because of these complexes. Last year there was a huge duck die off because ducks changed their natural migration patterns and stayed in one area because they had food and water. It made it a perfect breeding ground for Avian Cholera.

Personally I'm not really for limiting what other hunters can do just because I can't afford it but I do believe they have an unfair advantage. It would be nice to see the playing field a little more equal. Also JBG dry field duck hunting is way different than a flooded field.

You're actually missing the point

Maybe not being a waterfowl hunter you don't really understand what's going on. Let's say you hunt elk. All year elk feed and breed on hunt able land but then come hunting season LARGE land owners put out some feed or whatever that draws most of the elk to that one land. The herd you used to hunt year after year is now 1/5, 1/10 or maybe even less than it used to be. This feed isn't "illegal" but it marches a very tight line of being legal or not. How would you feel? Would you want people talking about it? Would you do anything?

And my original point of comparing boat hunting to corn complexes is dumb. I get JBG was trying to say it's the have not's trying to take from the the haves but I don't believe this is the case here at all.

Not being a waterfowler I still understand what's going on and your elk example is spot on and that would suck but there would still be elk in the area and actually might bring more in therefore I would just hunt the area different.
  That looks like what is going on with this corn complex and so I understand people's feelings about it but once again back to the bigger picture we cannot keep trying to take away legal hunting practices regardless of how we feel.
  Look at hound hunting/baiting bears how about the baiting deer and elk changes that just took place

I never said there would be more elk. There would be more less elk for the same amount of people who hunted it. Would you as an individual still harvest an elk? Probably but would the size of the success rate go down for you? Very likely. The success rate the whole would also go down. That's what I believe corn complexes are doing.

I think limiting the size of your bait for deer and elk isn't a bad thing. I have never hunted over bait so maybe I'm missing something.

I believe that in your elk scenario that more elk may travel thru public land to get to the private ranch which in many areas they already do and the feed helps.
   I actually agree with you about the corn complex you guys are talking about it doesn't seem fair but this is a big but  it's legal and once again we cannot take away legal hunting practices from others just because we don't like it.
  Private lands benefit all wildlife.
  Here's a really stupid example but it might make sense.
  Say the whole basin you guys hunt dried up and the only place that has water were these corn complexes do we take away their ability to attract waterfowl to the area which would keep them coming into the area or just make it so no birds come in at all.
  I know that is a really stupid and impossible scenario but I think it makes point. So don't laugh too hard at me for that😆😆

With Elk you're right and they do have a chance to walk past but with waterfowl they can move past you with out ever seeing them.

I think most people's problem with corn complex is, is it actually legal? They stay right on the edge of the law. It's not baiting if it's in a normal agricultural practice. Is it standard practice to leave standing rows? Is it standard to flood your crop? Is it standard to move the screen that lets more corn fall on the ground? That's where I have a problem is that it really normal agricultural practice? In my eyes it isn't and is actually illegal.