Author Topic: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens. (Read 12908 times)

bbarnes · « **on:** March 24, 2009, 06:27:06 PM »

Your attendance is needed on march 30 from 6pm to 9pm Monday evening.We need as many people as possible, to give public comment against a national park at mt saint Helen's.We will loose all hunting snowmobiling mt biking,and horseback riding opportunity's.This will affect 110 thousand acres of land at the mountain,that is currently a national monument controlled by the forest service.There will be no benefit to us outdoor enthusiast it Will take more public land from us.The units this will affect will be Lewis river 560 Toutle 556 Margaret 524 Winston 520 and Packwood 516.These areas are the most hunted units in the state and we stand to loose this.Please plan to attend, this is one evening out of you life,but may affect the rest of our life's.By showing up, this will tell the committee members that you want to keep our public lands public.I have posted below emails of the senators, congressman and mt saint Helen's advisory committee members that are involved in this matter.Send them a letter showing your disapproval about trying to lock us out of public use.Thanks b barnesDebbie Slack <slack@co.skamania.wa.us

shac comments <shaccomments@co.skamania.wa.us

Axel Swanson <swansona@co.cowlitz.wa.us

Brian Willoughby <brian_willoughby@cantwell.senate.gov

Casey Roeder <casey@skamania.org

Debbie Slack <slack@co.skamania.wa.us

Jim Adams <jima@nwinterp.org

Jim Sedell <jimsedell@yahoo.com

Lee Grose <bocc@co.lewis.wa.us

Maree Lerchen <maree@windermere.com

Mark Plotkin <mark@visitmtsthelens.com

Mark Smith <ecoparkman@mac.com

Mary Kay Nelson <Info@VisitRainier.com

Nancy Parkes <n.parkes@comcast.net

Page Phillips <page.phillips@mail.house.gov

Paul Pearce <pearce@co.skamania.wa.us

Sherie Weisser <dsweisser@gmail.com

Theresa Wagner <theresa_wagner@murray.senate.gov

Guns4Fun · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:35:40 PM »

I want to attend the meeting....where is it being held?

bbarnes · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:37:36 PM »

Administration Building,
207 4th Ave. North, Third Floor, Room 305,
Kelso, WA 98626

Telephone:
360-577-3020

KillzElk · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:05:37 PM »

Great take all the land away , Make us go to work come home pay taxes and have NO place to enjoy with out having Rules... It will come soon if we all don't step up and do something about it....

I read this article National park status considered for Mount St. Helens
by Scott Learn, The Oregonian
Thursday February 26, 2009

If you missed it here it is:
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/02/mount_st_helens_national_park.html

Committee says no to Mount St. Helens national park
by Scott Learn, The Oregonian
Wednesday March 04, 2009

Link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/03/committee_says_no_to_national.html

KillzElk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:09:31 PM »

Mount St. Helens National Park supporters aren't backing down
Thursday, March 5, 2009

Its time to stand up.....
http://tdn.com/articles/2009/03/06/area_news/doc49b099585c73b861331943.txt

OPB News
Mt. St. Helens: National Park Or National Monument?
http://news.opb.org/article/4441-mt-st-helens-national-park-or-national-monument/

KillzElk · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:24:20 PM »

If you don't speak up it will be to late... Its getting close...
Voiced concerns about limits on hunting

, fishing

,off-road vehicle travel

., Guns

, Camping:fire.:

&

Keep Mount St. Helens Out of the National Park System Posted March 5th, 2009

Read full post here: ...
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2009/03/committee-keep-mount-st-helens-out-national-park-system

The economic study, prepared for the Mount St. Helens Advisory Committee by the Environmental Law Clinic at the
University of Washington, said, in part, that as a national park the mountain would be better funded and have a
higher national profile, thus attracting more visitors. BS BS

.........

saudog · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:41:07 PM »

Below is what I sent to every member on the list. I encourage others to write but please be very corgial and try to think of all aspects of this discussion, not just hunting. I am very familiar with the area so i have a lot of opinion. If you don't have a lot of familiarity with the area, I would just state the fact that the area is available to all as it is, and is very wild and undisturbed as it is. Many of you who have been to national parks know that they lose their "wildness" when they get the designation.

Hello All,

I am writing as a life long beneficiary of living in the shadow of one of the greatest wilderness and outdoor recreational areas in the state and in this country. Many of my fondest memories trace back to the Mt. St. Helens area and they include many diverse activities such as hiking, backcountry camping with my dad, car camping with my family, hunting, mt. biking, fishing, cross country skiing and snowmobiling from the winter parks. I grew up in Longview and now live up in Seattle. I am surrounded by National Parks, National Forests, and Wilderness areas from where I currently reside and from where I grew up. I understand the difference between these designations and relish the different opportunities that they all provide. Mt Rainier, The North Cascades, and the Olympics are always and were always within reach as well as all the great National Forests lands and Wilderness areas. Every weekend I have available I hit the road in search of outdoor adventure. Even from up here in Seattle, the road very often leads back to my old stomping grounds around Mt. St. Helens due to the many unique opportunities and undisturbed remoteness of the area. I relish the fact that there are no gated entries, no expensive park fees, no overflowing parking lots, and overall I just relish the fact that the area is kept wild but accessible due to its current status as a National Forest and Monument. I cannot make it to the upcoming meeting on March 30th but would like to voice my opinion as this is one of the most important issues in my life.

I have spent and still spend a lot of time in the National Parks and love what they have to offer. I also avoid these areas often due to the crowds and the restrictions that the designation carries with it. If you have been to the access points to Mt. Rainier you know exactly what I am talking about. Hiking and sight seeing is about all the National Parks have to offer. Many times, the few restricted campsites are full and you can’t even stay overnight if you want to go out backpacking. It scares me to death to think that the area that myself and many others have grown to love as it is may be in danger of changing dramatically by being designated a National Park. Never in a million years did I think I would have to plan months in advance to visit my own backyard.

I have also spent a lot of time in the Monument and can say it is as wild and undisturbed as ever. The plant life and animals are thriving in the area and that is in large part to the fact that people tend to leave it alone. If one were to compare the restrictions of a National Park like Mt. Rainier to the restrictions of the Monument area of Mt. St. Helens, one would see that the monument is actually as well or more protected than the National Park. I have been into the Mt. Margaret backcountry numerous times and not only is the area off limits to hunting due to the WDFW designation of the local hunting units, you are strictly prohibited from leaving the trail or disturbing the fragile ecosystem that has been and is still rebuilding itself. This is actually more protected than Mt. Rainier. If you put in for a “backcountry” camping permit in the many backcountry areas of Mt. Rainier, you can go hiking off trail and camp wherever you want. The same kinds of activities often occur in the Olympics. I have also heard that one of the proposals that would come with the designation of National Park may be to extend Highway 504 through the monument area. I can’t imagine how that would help protect the area or the wildlife but I would see that as very imposing on the backcountry just for the sake of convenience to human travel. I may be off on these particular details but extending any highways in that area for any reason should be taken off the board.

In closing, I see this proposal not as an attempt to protect the land or animals, but as an attempt to expose the area to more visitors and to restrict the opportunities for all kinds of recreation. The money argument should be thrown out the window as a non issue, whether the park status would or wouldn’t generate more income, as the land and its ability to thrive as well as provide enjoyment to all should be the real argument. There is nothing keeping people from coming far and wide to enjoy the majestic and undisturbed wilderness around Mt. St. Helens as it is. When my father and I are out there, all by our selves, as is almost always the case, we sit and wonder why more people can’t or don’t enjoy it. There is nothing keeping people out of the backcountry now, nor is there anything keeping people form enjoying the other sides of the mountain and its many opportunities. If people educate themselves on the area and its access points and trials, it is there for them as it is now. I for one am not for turning on a beacon, begging people to come look at the mountain while limiting peoples opportunities to a minimum, just in the sake of acquiring more money for the upkeep of roads or for generating dollars for the local economy. To me, the roads and trails are just fine; few and far between and a little rough going, just like Mother Nature would want it. Thank you for your time and feel free to reply with any questions or comments, as I would love to hear all sides to this argument.

Regards,

Saudog(my real name and number was included here)

lokidog · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:24:35 PM »

First, I do not think this should become a national park unless.....

Nothing I have seen in the articles indicates that the park would be any larger than the existing monument, so how would this impact hunting? You are already prohibited from hunting in a Nat. Monument.

An increase in people would likely not be a good thing for the wildlife or the environment.

Now, here's the unless.... there is nothing that says hunting is always prohibited from national parks, a prohibition has to be written into the individual park's charter (for example, I believe Rocky Mtn Nat'l Park has no chartered prohibition even though they do not allow it). If there was some way to guarantee that hunting would be allowed, that additional roads would not be built, and the park service would not contract out some 500 room hotel, then I might be persuaded to go for the park.

Just my

TONTO · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:58:40 PM »

Quote from: lokidog on March 25, 2009, 09:24:35 PM

First, I do not think this should become a national park unless.....

Nothing I have seen in the articles indicates that the park would be any larger than the existing monument, so how would this impact hunting? You are already prohibited from hunting in a Nat. Monument.

An increase in people would likely not be a good thing for the wildlife or the environment.

Now, here's the unless.... there is nothing that says hunting is always prohibited from national parks, a prohibition has to be written into the individual park's charter (for example, I believe Rocky Mtn Nat'l Park has no chartered prohibition even though they do not allow it). If there was some way to guarantee that hunting would be allowed, that additional roads would not be built, and the park service would not contract out some 500 room hotel, then I might be persuaded to go for the park.

Just my

Actualy yes hunting is allowed in the national monument,just not the Lowitt Unit at this time.Portions of the Margret,Toutle and Lewis River units overlap the monument boundry.If it were to become a National Park this would end.The 500 room hotels are already proposed if it becomes a park or not. Then of course there are the wolves,they are coming anyway ,6 breeding pair in the southern cascades,I feel a National Park would just hurry this along.

lokidog · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:26:26 PM »

Didn't realize that. Thought hunting was not allowed at all in NM's.

Thanks for the correction.

saudog · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2009, 08:26:13 AM »

He is correct. The current Monument boundries extend into many huntible areas in these GMU's.

KillzElk · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2009, 11:21:17 AM »

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bucklucky · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:02:36 PM »

Is there any way to simplify sending letters to all these people?? I know I have done some in the past that were pre writtin, all I had to do is put my name on and send?? This would get more letters out on the issue showing how we dont want this to happen?? Just a thought.

KillzElk · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2009, 12:53:35 PM »

Here is a list Copy & paste......

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Sorry about the confusion ... Send it to all of them they should get the hit maybe?

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Elkaholic daWg · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:51:06 AM »

I see 3 different threads on this page regarding elk starving in the area and some group of MORONS comes up with this Idea

I have posted this info on 3 other forums I visit also.

whacker1 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 27, 2009, 09:12:20 AM »

Thank You for posting - Any additional information would be very helpful as it becomes available.

KillzElk · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2009, 12:03:40 AM »

The public meetings on the recommendations are March 30th at the Cowlitz County Administration Building, 207 4th Ave. North, Kelso, and April 13 at the Camas Police Department Community Room, 2100 NE Third Street. Both meetings are from 6 to 9 p.m. The committee meets on May 14 to finalize its recommendations.

KillzElk · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:13:50 AM »

I see you (InsideWDFW) missed another great meeting Maybe you can make the trip to voice your opion to just one thank you,, I see that you are trying represent or misrepresent the WDFW you should speak out at a public meeting .. Angry Bash
Thank You bbarnes for making the trip to every meeting in Wa. to help everyone in the Wa area out.. All that you were not there would have liked the statement bbarnes had for the panel very priceless Paul Pierce stands silent after Angry Bash ...

Anyways see the full article here...

Mount St. Helens panel hears from public on draft plan Monday, March 30, 2009
Link:
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/03/31/top_story/doc49d16007f408c282374700.txt

Or read below...
The Congressional Mount St. Helens Advisory Committee braced for plenty of criticism during public comment on their recent draft recommendations Monday. Instead, most speakers agreed the volcano should remain run by the U.S. Forest Service with better funding and upkeep.

Monday was the first of two public comment sessions to get reaction to the committee’s draft recommendations for the future of the volcano and the 110,000-acre Mount St. Helens National Volcanic Monument. Chief among the recommendations is that the mountain remain under Forest Service management instead of becoming the state’s fifth national park.

Fifteen of the 24 speakers specifically supported Forest Service management compared to two who said they favored the National Park Service. Others did not give a specific preference.

Forest Service supporters said they want to maintain and expand recreational access and feel national park status will bring a whole new set of restrictions. They also supported increased and more stable funding for the monument, similar to National Park levels.

Bruce Barnes, of the Mount St. Helens Rescue group, said he avoids national parks because of the fees, restrictions and the long waiting period to get campground reservations.

“It scares me to death to think the area ... may be in danger of changing dramatically by being designated a national park,” the Vancouver resident said. “Never in a million years did I think I would have to plan months in advance to visit my own backyard.”

Thomas Mueller, who grew up in Germany, said it’s a blessing to have so much open land to explore in America. The Castle Rock resident and avid mountain biker has been to both Mount Rainier National Park and Mount St. Helens and said he vastly prefers the Forest Service model.

“Rainier is almost like a guided tour,” he said. “If something like that happens to Mount St. Helens, I’d be very sad.”

Representatives from Weyerhaeuser Co. and Longview Timber also favor Forest Service management, saying they prefer the Forest Service’s fewer restrictions on adjacent timber land.

Sean Smith, northwest regional director of the National Parks Conservation Association, said he understands there are strong feelings on either side. He added, though, that most communities faced with the same decision end up opting for the national park status and its increased funding and economic opportunities.

Smith also said there are a range of national park designations that could allow some hunting and fishing.

Several speakers urged the group to specifically address the adjacent High Lakes area to keep it from being further developed.

The “biggest mistake” made when the monument was created was that the High Lakes area wasn’t included, said Darcy Mitchem of Toutle. “We get very few do-overs in life, here’s your chance,” she said.

The committee also has received about 34 e-mail comments from individuals, most of them favoring Forest Service management, said co-chairman Paul Pearce, a Skamania County commissioner. In addition, about 640 e-mails supporting national park status have been generated from a link on the National Parks Conservation Association Web page.

About 50 people attended Monday’s session, fewer than organizers expected. Cowlitz County Commissioner Axel Swanson, one of the committee co-chairmen, said he takes that to mean “we got it partially right.”

Pearce added that even those who support the national parks can agree with the committee’s recommendations of increased visitor access, overnight accommodations and funding.

The second public comment session is 6 to 9 p.m. April 13 in the Camas Police Department Community Room, 2100 NE Third St., Camas. Written comments can be submitted to the committee’s Web site, www.skamaniacounty.org/SHAC.htm

The final report — to be written May 14 in Longview — will be sent to U.S. Reps. Brian Baird and Norm Dicks and U.S. Sens. Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray for consideration.

Related articles:

Public access to High Lakes may require major public funding (March 20)
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/03/20/this_day/doc49c2c364e563f168529464.txt

Mount St. Helens National Park supporters aren't backing down (March 5)
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/03/05/area_news/doc49b099585c73b861331943.txt

The vision for Mount St. Helens (March 2)
http://www.tdn.com/articles/2009/03/02/top_story/doc49ab8d8a97d82576849264.txt

saudog · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:23:06 AM »

Barnes, you stole my line! I'm glad you were there to attend and I'm sorry I didn't call you back yet. Thanks for speaking up!

Bruce Barnes, of the Mount St. Helens Rescue group, said he avoids national parks because of the fees, restrictions and the long waiting period to get campground reservations.

“It scares me to death to think the area ... may be in danger of changing dramatically by being designated a national park,” the Vancouver resident said. “Never in a million years did I think I would have to plan months in advance to visit my own backyard.”

bbarnes · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:09:25 PM »

Saudog I gave you recignition for the single best letter i have ever read in my life, your passion about the area and your experience were heart felt.Only someone that has been as many places as you and i,have could feel the same way.It silenced the crowd that was in amazement and put thing into perspective ,about our freedoms and public lands.Thanks you have gained a lifelong friend,respectfully yours B Barnes keeping the public lands public.

Elkaholic daWg · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:47:14 PM »

SAWS Alert today.............

Can't get a lot easier than this......................

SAWS Action Alert: Mt St Helens Advisory Committee - Future of the Mounument‏
From: SAWS - Washington (daveh-wa@snowmobile-alliance.org)
Sent: Tue 3/31/09 4:44 PM
To: SAWS-WA@SnowmobileAlliance.org

SAWS Members,

Today I received the request below from Carl Schmalenberger, the President of the Mt St Helens Tracriders, with a request for help from our SAWS members.

Please write a short letter to state that you support the Mt St Helens Monument remaining under Forest Service management, and that you do not support a proposal to have the monument moved under control and management of the National Park Service.

We certainly do not want to see Mt St Helens become the next Yellowstone National Park saga attempting an outright ban on snowmobile use.

Comments may be emailed to SHACComments@co.skamania.wa.us

Refer to the request below from Carl and below that a copy of the Mt St Helens Advisory Committee Press Release.

Thank you in advance for responding to this request.

Dave Hurwitz
Chairman - Snowmobile Alliance of Western States

______________________________________________________________________

Dave,

FYI, An update on the Mt St Helens Advisory Committee.

Could you forward this to the SAWS members and urge them to send a short email with there comments?

The committee has received about 34 emails from individuals (most favoring the forest service) and about 640 form letters from a link generated from the National Parks Conservation Association web page.

It appears that the committee is taking in to account that the 640 comments are one form letter.

I was dissapointed with the local turn out at the first public comment meeting.
There were about 20 speakers ( 15 for forest service and 2 for parks)
There is one more next month ( place and time in the press release).

I realize it can be hard to make a meeting in person, but lets see if we can get an increase in
email comments for keeping Mt St Helens in the forest service.

Let everyone know it just takes a minute to send a brief email in there own words supporting
the forest service.

The attatched press release is the rough draft of the committees recomendations.

Thanks for your efforts and the time it takes.
I have a hard enough time keeping up with our local issues.
Give me a call if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Carl Schmalenberger
President
Mt St Helens Tracriders

bbarnes · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:57:00 PM »

Elkaliolic dawg Thanks for that post all of the user groups are starting to get it pass it along to everyone you know .110 thousand acres is at stake.

TONTO · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:01:17 PM »

I attended the meeting,I declined to speek,on later thought maybe I should have,but my sentament seemed to be shared amung many that did.I do apreciate the dedication by all involved.

bbarnes · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:05:19 PM »

Tonto next time introduce your self thanks for going and i hope to see you at the camas meeting B Barnes

Elkaholic daWg · « **Reply #24 on:** April 01, 2009, 10:58:41 AM »

Blue Ribbon Coalition Alert today

Mt St Helens Advisory Committee - Future of the Monument‏
From: BRC Alert (noreply@sharetrails.org)
Sent: Wed 4/01/09 10:26 AM

BLUERIBBON COALITION PARTNER ACTION ALERT!

Dear BRC Action Alert Subscriber,

Attention Washington, Oregon and Idaho Recreationists!

Our partners over at the Snowmobile Alliance of Western States (SAWS) just sent us an important "CALL TO ACTION" over a serious threat to motorized recreation in Washington. Please do what ever you can to help and pass this information along to everyone you know.

I have pasted a copy of the email below; please take a couple of minutes to read over the information.

Thanks in advance for your involvement,
Ric Foster
Public Lands Department Manager
BlueRibbon Coalition
208-237-1008 ext 107

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: SAWS Action Alert: Mt St Helens Advisory Committee - Future of the Monument
From: "SAWS Idaho" <ScottC-ID@snowmobile-alliance.org>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:05:20 -0600
To: <SAWS-ID@SnowmobileAlliance.org>, <SAWS-UT@SnowmobileAlliance.org>, <SAWS-CO@SnowmobileAlliance.org>, <SAWS-WY@SnowmobileAlliance.org>

SAWS Members,

Today I received the request below from Carl Schmalenberger, the President of the Mt St Helens Tracriders, with a request for help from our SAWS members.

Please write a short letter to state that you support the Mt St Helens Monument remaining under Forest Service management, and that you do not support a proposal to have the monument moved under control and management of the National Park Service.

We certainly do not want to see Mt St Helens become the next Yellowstone National Park saga attempting an outright ban on snowmobile use.

Comments may be emailed to SHACComments@co.skamania.wa.us

Refer to the request below from Carl and below that a copy of the Mt St Helens Advisory Committee Press Release.

Thank you in advance for responding to this request.

Dave Hurwitz
Chairman - Snowmobile Alliance of Western States

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dave,

FYI, An update on the Mt St Helens Advisory Committee.

Could you forward this to the SAWS members and urge them to send a short email with there comments?

The committee has received about 34 emails from individuals (most favoring the forest service) and about 640 form letters from a link generated from the National Parks Conservation Association web page.

It appears that the committee is taking in to account that the 640 comments are one form letter.

I was disappointed with the local turn out at the first public comment meeting.
There were about 20 speakers (15 for forest service and 2 for parks)
There is one more next month (place and time in the press release).

I realize it can be hard to make a meeting in person, but lets see if we can get an increase in email comments for keeping Mt St Helens in the forest service.

Let everyone know it just takes a minute to send a brief email in there own words supporting the forest service.

The attached press release is the rough draft of the committee's recommendations.

Thanks for your efforts and the time it takes.
I have a hard enough time keeping up with our local issues.
Give me a call if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Carl Schmalenberger
President
Mt St Helens Tracriders

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mt St Helens Advisory Committee

Press Release

For Immediate Release

Draft Recommendations on the Future of the Monument

The congressionally impaneled advisory committee met in an open public retreat session on February 27th & 28th in Longview to work through draft recommendations on the future of the monument. This followed a year of public meetings held in locations throughout SW Washington. These recommendations are designed to be released to the public for public comment before the committee adopts final recommendations for presentation to our Congressional delegation.

The Committee has agreed to the following meeting schedule:

Monday March 30th for Public Comment in Kelso in the Commissioners Hearing Room from 6-9pm.

Monday April 13th for Public Comment in the Camas Police Department Community Room, 2100 NE 3rd St., Camas, WA from 6-9pm.

Thursday May 14th all day at the Cowlitz County Regional Conference Center for drafting final recommendations. Open to the public. No Public Comment.

Comments may also be emailed to SHACComments@co.skamania.wa.us

The draft recommendations are listed as follow :

ACCESS

Properly fund maintenance of all trails, roads and facilities
Improve and expand access
o Fund and build 504 all-weather road extension from Coldwater to US12
o Fund and build 503 spur all-weather road from Cougar to Carson
o Upgrade FS Road 25 to all-weather road, Level 5 Standard

INFRASTRUCTURE

Reinvest in Coldwater Ridge as an overnight destination to include science, interpretation, education, visitor services, food and university partnerships
Insure visitor and emergency communication capability around the Monument
Develop and fund an Emergency Response Plan
Provide adequate, non-federal utility service where needed in the Monument
Shift responsibility for the Spirit Lake tunnel to the Corp of Engineers
RECREATION

Recreational opportunities should be broadened to embrace a diverse and responsible use of the forest
Adequately fund and maintain recreational facilities
Create camping facilities using Lower Falls as a template
Recommend more recreational activities including camping and fishing in the Restricted Area that are compatible with the Act by creating a Scientific and Recreational Advisory Committee to vet recreational opportunities and suggestions in the Restricted Area for the managing agency
Designate seasonal recreational activity locations for motorized and non-motorized participants
CONSERVATION

The Restricted Area should be left to unimpeded recovery maintaining the geological and ecological processes as well as the integrity of the features
Visitor impacts and carrying capacity of the Restricted Area will be consistent with the goals of the Act
No road building in the Monument
Support coordinated partnerships with all stakeholders to control invasive species
Maintain habitat protection
Encourage partnerships with voluntary organizations
SCIENCE

Expand science funding with specific emphasis on more direct public education and broader interpretive and applied science programs
Dedicate the Monument Scientist to science
Provide an expanded science experience for visitors
Promote the Monument as a scientific laboratory
o Involve the universities and community colleges
o Develop new technologies

INDUSTRY

Continue to develop relationships with industrial land owners bordering the Monument
Encourage relationships with emerging technologies and industry in remote sensing, robotics, nanotechnology and renewable energy
Create an R&D laboratory setting for technology applications in harsh environments
Continue to address recreation and tourism as industrial components
TOURISM

Develop destination resorts in and around the Monument
Develop a year-round regionally coordinated marketing plan
Fully fund the managing agency's interpretive programs
Develop a regional tourism network (Destination Marketing Organization)
Develop a user-friendly, unified (state and federal) fee system
Develop products and services that will enhance visitors' experience
Establish and fund a Special Use Permit process for the Monument
MANAGEMENT MODEL

Retain Forest Service management
o Create an administrative unit consisting of existing Federal lands west of and including the 25 Road with no expansion of the Monument boundary
o The Monument itself must be a line item funded from the Mandatory portion of the Forest Service budget
o This model should be used as a template for "Special Places" within the National Forest Service system, as the current model has failed
o Require an annual meeting with stakeholder groups

THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WILL BE GIVEN FURTHER CONSIDERATION FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT:

Congressional oversight
Ongoing role for the Advisory Committee
Cooperative Agency Status
Partnership agreements with state, local, federal entities and other stakeholders to include an annual meeting
Cooperation of counties on comprehensive planning on private lands adjacent to the Monument
Co Chairs

Lewis County Commissioner Lee Grose 360-740-1120
Cowlitz County Commissioner Axel Swanson 360-577-3020
Skamania County Commissioner Paul Pearce, 509-427-3700

Cascade_Sherpa · « **Reply #25 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:24:48 AM »

Does Saudog or anybody else know what the outcome of townhall meeting on this was?

saudog · « **Reply #26 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:44:40 AM »

Just the locals stating their opinions in front of an advisory committie. The advisory committie will report to the state reps. and then they will do pretty much what they want.

Cascade_Sherpa · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2009, 03:53:14 PM »

Quote from: Elkaholic daWg on March 27, 2009, 08:51:06 AM

I see 3 different threads on this page regarding elk starving in the area and some group of MORONS comes up with this Idea
I have posted this info on 3 other forums I visit also.

Thats because the tree huggers want to see wolves introduced into their "new park" at St. Helens.

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