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NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« on: March 24, 2009, 06:27:06 PM »
Your attendance is needed on march 30 from 6pm to 9pm Monday evening.We need as many people as possible, to give public comment against a national park at mt saint Helen's.We will loose all hunting snowmobiling mt biking,and horseback riding opportunity's.This will affect 110 thousand acres of land at the mountain,that is currently a national monument controlled by the forest service.There will be no benefit to us outdoor enthusiast it Will take more public land from us.The units this will affect will be Lewis river 560 Toutle 556 Margaret 524 Winston 520 and Packwood 516.These areas are the most hunted units in the state and we stand to loose this.Please plan to attend, this is one evening out of you life,but may affect the rest of our life's.By showing up, this will tell the committee members that you want to keep our public lands public.I have posted below emails of the senators, congressman and mt saint Helen's advisory committee members that are involved in this matter.Send them a letter showing your disapproval about trying to lock us out of public use.Thanks b barnesDebbie Slack <slack@co.skamania.wa.us

shac comments <shaccomments@co.skamania.wa.us

Axel Swanson <swansona@co.cowlitz.wa.us

Brian Willoughby <brian_willoughby@cantwell.senate.gov

Casey Roeder <casey@skamania.org

Debbie Slack <slack@co.skamania.wa.us

Jim Adams <jima@nwinterp.org

Jim Sedell <jimsedell@yahoo.com

Lee Grose <bocc@co.lewis.wa.us

Maree Lerchen <maree@windermere.com

Mark Plotkin <mark@visitmtsthelens.com

Mark Smith <ecoparkman@mac.com

Mary Kay Nelson <Info@VisitRainier.com

Nancy Parkes <n.parkes@comcast.net

Page Phillips <page.phillips@mail.house.gov

Paul Pearce <pearce@co.skamania.wa.us

Sherie Weisser <dsweisser@gmail.com

Theresa Wagner <theresa_wagner@murray.senate.gov

 
 
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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 06:35:40 PM »


I want to attend the meeting....where is it being held?

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 06:37:36 PM »
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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 04:05:37 PM »
Great take all the land away , Make us go to work come home pay taxes and have NO place to enjoy with out having Rules... It will come soon if we all don't  step up and do something about it....

I read this article National park status considered for Mount St. Helens
by Scott Learn, The Oregonian
Thursday February 26, 2009

If you missed it here it is:
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/02/mount_st_helens_national_park.html



Committee says no to Mount St. Helens national park
by Scott Learn, The Oregonian
Wednesday March 04, 2009

Link:
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2009/03/committee_says_no_to_national.html

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 04:09:31 PM »
Mount St. Helens National Park supporters aren't backing down
Thursday, March 5, 2009

Its time to stand up.....
http://tdn.com/articles/2009/03/06/area_news/doc49b099585c73b861331943.txt

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Mt. St. Helens: National Park Or National Monument?
http://news.opb.org/article/4441-mt-st-helens-national-park-or-national-monument/


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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 04:24:20 PM »
If you don't speak up it will be to late... Its getting close...
Voiced concerns about limits on hunting :hunter:, fishing :fishin:,off-road vehicle travel  :4w: ., Guns  :mgun:, Camping:fire.: :cmp1: :cue::tree1:

Keep Mount St. Helens Out of the National Park System  Posted March 5th, 2009

Read full post here: ...
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2009/03/committee-keep-mount-st-helens-out-national-park-system

The economic study, prepared for the Mount St. Helens Advisory Committee by the Environmental Law Clinic at the
University of Washington, said, in part, that as a national park the mountain would be better funded and have a
higher national profile, thus attracting more visitors. BS BS   :liar:.........



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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 05:41:07 PM »
Below is what I sent to every member on the list.  I encourage others to write but please be very corgial and try to think of all aspects of this discussion, not just hunting.  I am very familiar with the area so i have a lot of opinion.  If you don't have a lot of familiarity with the area, I would just state the fact that the area is available to all as it is, and is very wild and undisturbed as it is.  Many of you who have been to national parks know that they lose their "wildness" when they get the designation.


Hello All,

I am writing as a life long beneficiary of living in the shadow of one of the greatest wilderness and outdoor recreational areas in the state and in this country.  Many of my fondest memories trace back to the Mt. St. Helens area and they include many diverse activities such as hiking, backcountry camping with my dad, car camping with my family, hunting, mt. biking, fishing, cross country skiing and snowmobiling from the winter parks.  I grew up in Longview and now live up in Seattle.  I am surrounded by National Parks, National Forests, and Wilderness areas from where I currently reside and from where I grew up.  I understand the difference between these designations and relish the different opportunities that they all provide.  Mt Rainier, The North Cascades, and the Olympics are always and were always within reach as well as all the great National Forests lands and Wilderness areas.  Every weekend I have available I hit the road in search of outdoor adventure.  Even from up here in Seattle, the road very often leads back to my old stomping grounds around Mt. St. Helens due to the many unique opportunities and undisturbed remoteness of the area.  I relish the fact that there are no gated entries, no expensive park fees, no overflowing parking lots, and overall I just relish the fact that the area is kept wild but accessible due to its current status as a National Forest and Monument.  I cannot make it to the upcoming meeting on March 30th but would like to voice my opinion as this is one of the most important issues in my life.

I have spent and still spend a lot of time in the National Parks and love what they have to offer.  I also avoid these areas often due to the crowds and the restrictions that the designation carries with it.  If you have been to the access points to Mt. Rainier you know exactly what I am talking about.  Hiking and sight seeing is about all the National Parks have to offer.  Many times, the few restricted campsites are full and you can’t even stay overnight if you want to go out backpacking.  It scares me to death to think that the area that myself and many others have grown to love as it is may be in danger of changing dramatically by being designated a National Park.  Never in a million years did I think I would have to plan months in advance to visit my own backyard.

I have also spent a lot of time in the Monument and can say it is as wild and undisturbed as ever.  The plant life and animals are thriving in the area and that is in large part to the fact that people tend to leave it alone.  If one were to compare the restrictions of a National Park like Mt. Rainier to the restrictions of the Monument area of Mt. St. Helens, one would see that the monument is actually as well or more protected than the National Park.  I have been into the Mt. Margaret backcountry numerous times and not only is the area off limits to hunting due to the WDFW designation of the local hunting units, you are strictly prohibited from leaving the trail or disturbing the fragile ecosystem that has been and is still rebuilding itself.  This is actually more protected than Mt. Rainier.  If you put in for a “backcountry” camping permit in the many backcountry areas of Mt. Rainier, you can go hiking off trail and camp wherever you want.  The same kinds of activities often occur in the Olympics.  I have also heard that one of the proposals that would come with the designation of National Park may be to extend Highway 504 through the monument area.  I can’t imagine how that would help protect the area or the wildlife but I would see that as very imposing on the backcountry just for the sake of convenience to human travel.  I may be off on these particular details but extending any highways in that area for any reason should be taken off the board.

In closing, I see this proposal not as an attempt to protect the land or animals, but as an attempt to expose the area to more visitors and to restrict the opportunities for all kinds of recreation.  The money argument should be thrown out the window as a non issue, whether the park status would or wouldn’t generate more income, as the land and its ability to thrive as well as provide enjoyment to all should be the real argument.  There is nothing keeping people from coming far and wide to enjoy the majestic and undisturbed wilderness around Mt. St. Helens as it is.  When my father and I are out there, all by our selves, as is almost always the case, we sit and wonder why more people can’t or don’t enjoy it.  There is nothing keeping people out of the backcountry now, nor is there anything keeping people form enjoying the other sides of the mountain and its many opportunities.  If people educate themselves on the area and its access points and trials, it is there for them as it is now.  I for one am not for turning on a beacon, begging people to come look at the mountain while limiting peoples opportunities to a minimum, just in the sake of acquiring more money for the upkeep of roads or for generating dollars for the local economy.  To me, the roads and trails are just fine; few and far between and a little rough going, just like Mother Nature would want it.  Thank you for your time and feel free to reply with any questions or comments, as I would love to hear all sides to this argument.

Regards,

Saudog(my real name and number was included here)

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 09:24:35 PM »
First, I do not think this should become a national park unless.....

Nothing I have seen in the articles indicates that the park would be any larger than the existing monument, so how would this impact hunting?  You are already prohibited from hunting in a Nat. Monument.

An increase in people would likely not be a good thing for the wildlife or the environment.

Now, here's the unless.... there is nothing that says hunting is always prohibited from national parks, a prohibition has to be written into the individual park's charter (for example, I believe Rocky Mtn Nat'l Park has no chartered prohibition even though they do not allow it).  If there was some way to guarantee  that hunting would be allowed, that additional roads would not be built, and the park service would not contract out some 500 room hotel, then I might be persuaded to go for the park.

Just my  :twocents:

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 09:58:40 PM »
First, I do not think this should become a national park unless.....

Nothing I have seen in the articles indicates that the park would be any larger than the existing monument, so how would this impact hunting?  You are already prohibited from hunting in a Nat. Monument.

An increase in people would likely not be a good thing for the wildlife or the environment.

Now, here's the unless.... there is nothing that says hunting is always prohibited from national parks, a prohibition has to be written into the individual park's charter (for example, I believe Rocky Mtn Nat'l Park has no chartered prohibition even though they do not allow it).  If there was some way to guarantee  that hunting would be allowed, that additional roads would not be built, and the park service would not contract out some 500 room hotel, then I might be persuaded to go for the park.

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 Actualy yes hunting is allowed in the national monument,just not the Lowitt Unit at this time.Portions of the Margret,Toutle and Lewis River units overlap the monument boundry.If it were to become a National Park this would end.The 500 room hotels are already proposed if it becomes a park or not. Then of course there are the wolves,they are coming anyway ,6 breeding pair in the southern cascades,I feel a National Park would just hurry this along.

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 10:26:26 PM »
Didn't realize that.  Thought hunting was not allowed at all in NM's.   :dunno:

Thanks for the correction.

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 08:26:13 AM »
He is correct.  The current Monument boundries extend into many huntible areas in these GMU's.

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 11:21:17 AM »
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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2009, 12:02:36 PM »
Is there any way to simplify sending letters to  all these people?? I know I have done some in the past that were pre writtin, all I had to do is put my name on and send?? This would get more letters out on the issue showing how we dont want this to happen?? Just a thought.

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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 12:53:35 PM »
Here is a list Copy & paste......

All Members E-mail List fro Wasigton State Legislature   this should make it easy for everyone..

Sorry about the confusion ... Send it to all of them they should get the hit maybe?

Here is a list Copy & paste below......

warnick.judy@leg.wa.gov     
alexander.gary@leg.wa.gov 
anderson.glenn@leg.wa.gov
angel.jan@leg.wa.gov 
appleton.sherry@leg.wa.gov
armstrong.mike@leg.wa.gov 
bailey.barbara@leg.wa.gov         
becker.randi@leg.wa.gov       
benton.don@leg.wa.gov         
berkey.jean@leg.wa.gov         
blake.brian@leg.wa.gov       
brandland.dale@leg.wa.gov 
brown.lisa@leg.wa.gov         
campbell.tom@leg.wa.gov     
carlyle.reuven@leg.wa.gov     
carrell.michael@leg.wa.gov   
chandler.bruce@leg.wa.gov   
chase.maralyn@leg.wa.gov   
chopp.frank@leg.wa.gov       
clibborn.judy@leg.wa.gov     
cody.eileen@leg.wa.gov       
condotta.cary@leg.wa.gov     
conway.steve@leg.wa.gov       
cox.don@leg.wa.gov             
crouse.larry@leg.wa.gov       
dammeier.bruce@leg.wa.gov 
darneille.j@leg.wa.gov         
debolt.richard@leg.wa.gov     
delvin.jerome@leg.wa.gov       
dickerson.marylou@leg.wa.gov 
driscoll.john@leg.wa.gov       
dunshee.hans@leg.wa.gov     
eddy.deborah@leg.wa.gov     
eide.tracey@leg.wa.gov     
ericks.mark@leg.wa.gov
ericksen.doug@leg.wa.gov     
fairley.darlene@leg.wa.gov     
finn.fred@leg.wa.gov           
flannigan.dennis@leg.wa.gov 
franklin.rosa@leg.wa.gov       
fraser.karen@leg.wa.gov       
goodman.roger@leg.wa.gov 
grant-herriot.laura@leg.wa.gov 
green.tami@leg.wa.gov         
haigh.kathy@leg.wa.gov         
haler.larry@leg.wa.gov           
hargrove.jim@leg.wa.gov       
hatfield.brian@leg.wa.gov
hasegawa.bob@leg.wa.gov       
haugen.marymargaret@leg.wa.gov
herrera.jaime@leg.wa.gov     
hewitt.mike@leg.wa.gov       
hinkle.bill@leg.wa.gov         
hobbs.steve@leg.wa.gov       
holmquist.janea@leg.wa.gov 
honeyford.jim@leg.wa.gov     
hope.mike@leg.wa.gov         
hunt.sam@leg.wa.gov                 
hunter.ross@leg.wa.gov       
hurst.christopher@leg.wa.gov 
jacks.jim@leg.wa.gov           
jacobsen.ken@leg.wa.gov       
jarrett.fred@leg.wa.gov         
johnson.norm@leg.wa.gov     
kagi.ruth@leg.wa.gov                 
kastama.jim@leg.wa.gov         
kauffman.claudia@leg.wa.gov 
keiser.karen@leg.wa.gov     
kelley.troy@leg.wa.gov           
kenney.phyllis@leg.wa.gov     
kessler.lynn@leg.wa.gov       
kilmer.derek@leg.wa.gov       
king.curtis@leg.wa.gov         
kirby.steve@leg.wa.gov       
kline.adam@leg.wa.gov       
klippert.brad@leg.wa.gov       
welles.jeanne@leg.wa.gov     
kretz.joel@leg.wa.gov                 
kristiansen.dan@leg.wa.gov 
liias.marko@leg.wa.gov         
linville.kelli@leg.wa.gov       
marr.chris@leg.wa.gov           
maxwell.marcie@leg.wa.gov
mcauliffe.rosemary@leg.wa.gov 
mccaslin.bob@leg.wa.gov     
mccoy.john@leg.wa.gov         
mccune.jim@leg.wa.gov       
mcdermott.joe@leg.wa.gov   
miloscia.mark@leg.wa.gov     
moeller.jim@leg.wa.gov       
morrell.dawn@leg.wa.gov     
morris.jeff@leg.wa.gov         
morton.bob@leg.wa.gov         
nelson.sharon@leg.wa.gov       
oemig.eric@leg.wa.gov           
orcutt.ed@leg.wa.gov                 
ormsby.timm@leg.wa.gov     
orwall.tina@leg.wa.gov         
parker.kevin@leg.wa.gov       
parlette.linda@leg.wa.gov       
pearson.kirk@leg.wa.gov       
pedersen.jamie@leg.wa.gov
pettigrew.eric@leg.wa.gov       
pflug.cheryl@leg.wa.gov       
prentice.margarita@leg.wa.gov
pridemore.craig@leg.wa.gov
priest.skip@leg.wa.gov         
probst.tim@leg.wa.gov         
quall.dave@leg.wa.gov       
ranker.kevin@leg.wa.gov         
regala.debbie@leg.wa.gov       
roach.dan@leg.wa.gov           
roach.pam@leg.wa.gov         
roberts.maryhelen@leg.wa.gov     
rockefeller.phil@leg.wa.gov 
rodne.jay@leg.wa.gov                 
rolfes.christine@leg.wa.gov   
ross.charles@leg.wa.gov         
santos.sharontomiko@leg.wa.gov 
schmick.joe@leg.wa.gov         
schoesler.mark@leg.wa.gov       
seaquist.larry@leg.wa.gov       
sells.mike@leg.wa.gov           
shea.matt@leg.wa.gov         
sheldon.timothy@leg.wa.gov 
shin.paull@leg.wa.gov         
short.shelly@leg.wa.gov       
simpson.geoff@leg.wa.gov     
smith.norma@leg.wa.gov       
springer.larry@leg.wa.gov     
stevens.val@leg.wa.gov       
sullivan.pat@leg.wa.gov       
swecker.dan@leg.wa.gov     
takko.dean@leg.wa.gov         
tom.rodney@leg.wa.gov       
upthegrove.dave@leg.wa.gov 
vandewege.kevin@leg.wa.gov 
wallace.deb@leg.wa.gov     
warnick.judy@leg.wa.gov           
white.scott@leg.wa.gov         
williams.brendan@leg.wa.gov
wood.alex@leg.wa.gov         
zarelli.joseph@leg.wa.gov       
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Re: NO national park at Mount Saint Helens.
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2009, 08:51:06 AM »
   I see 3 different threads on this page regarding elk starving in the area and some group of MORONS comes up with this Idea :bdid:
 I have posted this info on 3 other forums I visit also.
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