Deer poaching question

[Rainier10]

Why is it that the thread below is five days old and only three pages long?

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235627.0.html

Where is the uproar over deer getting slaughtered on winter range? A call from every member on here for more enforcement and stiffer penalties?

There are some and that is great, but.....

if this same pic was posted from Swakane, Entiat or the methow and there was even a hint a tribal evolvement that same thread would be 8 pages long on day one.

Just seems odd to me.

[Jpmiller]

I saw right after jackelope posted that and made a note not to read it again cause I figured that's where it was headed  maybe because it was whitetails ?

[Bigshooter]

I saw right after jackelope posted that and made a note not to read it again cause I figured that's where it was headed  maybe because it was whitetails ?

 

They're whitetails and appear to be does.  If they were muley bucks look out.  Moderators would have to watch the thread like a hawk.

[Woodchuck]

I saw right after jackelope posted that and made a note not to read it again cause I figured that's where it was headed  maybe because it was whitetails ?

 

They're whitetails and appear to be does.  If they were muley bucks look out.  Moderators would have to watch the thread like a hawk.

Why do you think that is?

[pianoman9701]

I haven't been on here in about a week and a half. I think a lot of people are traveling.

[Rainier10]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

[Bigshooter]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

I'm 100% for the eradication of whitetails, wolves, and liberals.

[Woodchuck]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

You make some good points.

[boneaddict]

pretty similiar to most......take the Are you watching the video series thread.  Even with a little self promotion or bump posts from friends or the peanut gallery, (Thats you Karl Blanchard  )  only a page or two long after a week.  Throw in an orange vest comment, and we doubled in size while I was at lunch.   

Interest level I guess.

[Rainier10]

There are definite hot buttons that can blow a thread up.

I’m a people watcher and watching what gets people worked up here and what is just ho hum is interesting to me.

[jackelope]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

I'm 100% for the eradication of whitetails, wolves, and liberals.

I’m not. There’s already a lack of hunting opportunities in this state. In an area where mule deer don’t thrive, something(whitetails) is better than nothing.

Bigshooter ... I keep going back to this. I’m assuming you’re not implying you’re ok with poachers killing 5 whitetail does, at least some of which were probably carrying fawns, because you don’t like whitetails.

Say it ain’t so... 

[pianoman9701]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

I'm 100% for the eradication of whitetails, wolves, and liberals.

So, are you defending poaching whitetails and killing people with whom you disagree? That's kind of bizarre. We won't get into the wolves statement. But please explain what you mean about the other two. Thanks.

[huntnphool]

Why is it that the thread below is five days old and only three pages long?

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235627.0.html

Where is the uproar over deer getting slaughtered on winter range? A call from every member on here for more enforcement and stiffer penalties?

There are some and that is great, but.....

if this same pic was posted from Swakane, Entiat or the methow and there was even a hint a tribal evolvement that same thread would be 8 pages long on day one.

Just seems odd to me.

 There are 2200+ views, and on par with comments/views with the Methow thread.

[Bob33]

 

[Alchase]

There are definite hot buttons heads that can blow a thread up.

I’m a people watcher and watching what gets people worked up here and what is just ho hum is interesting to me.

Fixed it for ya 

[Bigshooter]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

I'm 100% for the eradication of whitetails, wolves, and liberals.

I’m not. There’s already a lack of hunting opportunities in this state. In an area where mule deer don’t thrive, something(whitetails) is better than nothing.

Bigshooter ... I keep going back to this. I’m assuming you’re not implying you’re ok with poachers killing 5 whitetail does, at least some of which were probably carrying fawns, because you don’t like whitetails.

Say it ain’t so...

I never said I'm ok with poaching.  But I would be very happy with a shoot on site 365 days a year no tag needed limit on whitetails until they were all gone.

[Bigshooter]

Tribal elk or deer = outrage and 8 pages day one.
Non native mule = that’s not right, 2 pages day one.
Non native mule deer two point= no good but 3pt minimum is a dumb rule.
5 whitetail does in winter= sucks but there’s lots of does
Wolf=SSS

Just tying to gauge where the priorities are.

Wondering when we are going to look back and say remember all the whitetail we used to see? Too many predators in this state.

I'm 100% for the eradication of whitetails, wolves, and liberals.

So, are you defending poaching whitetails and killing people with whom you disagree? That's kind of bizarre. We won't get into the wolves statement. But please explain what you mean about the other two. Thanks.

 

[smithkl42]

I never said I'm ok with poaching.  But I would be very happy with a shoot on site 365 days a year no tag needed limit on whitetails until they were all gone.

I've heard tons of folks on these forums complain that there are too many coyotes, too many wolves, too many cougars. But this is the first time I've heard someone complain that there were too many deer. Bigshooter, care to explain?

[Bigshooter]

I never said I'm ok with poaching.  But I would be very happy with a shoot on site 365 days a year no tag needed limit on whitetails until they were all gone.

I've heard tons of folks on these forums complain that there are too many coyotes, too many wolves, too many cougars. But this is the first time I've heard someone complain that there were too many deer. Bigshooter, care to explain?

No not really.

[GBoyd]

I never said I'm ok with poaching.  But I would be very happy with a shoot on site 365 days a year no tag needed limit on whitetails until they were all gone.

I've heard tons of folks on these forums complain that there are too many coyotes, too many wolves, too many cougars. But this is the first time I've heard someone complain that there were too many deer. Bigshooter, care to explain?

No not really.

So we're left to guess?

It's probably not a whitetails in the garden situation, living in Lewis County. So it's either a traumatic experience as a child or just good old fashioned trolling.

[Dan-o]

I never said I'm ok with poaching.  But I would be very happy with a shoot on site 365 days a year no tag needed limit on whitetails until they were all gone.

I've heard tons of folks on these forums complain that there are too many coyotes, too many wolves, too many cougars. But this is the first time I've heard someone complain that there were too many deer. Bigshooter, care to explain?

No not really.

So we're left to guess?

It's probably not a whitetails in the garden situation, living in Lewis County. So it's either a traumatic experience as a child or just good old fashioned trolling.

I'm not looking to argue or troll, but my guess is simply that he's a diehard  Muley fan.

No offense intended if that's not it.

[grundy53]

I think the reason that thread didn't blow up but a tribal one would is because almost everyone is against poachers. We are all in agreement. So there isn't much back and forth. There are only so many posts until it's pointless to post another. With a tribal kill there are folks on both side. So there is a lot of back and forth. But that's just my theory.

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[grundy53]

pretty similiar to most......take the Are you watching the video series thread.  Even with a little self promotion or bump posts from friends or the peanut gallery, (Thats you Karl Blanchard  )  only a page or two long after a week.  Throw in an orange vest comment, and we doubled in size while I was at lunch.   

Interest level I guess.

Sorry about that.

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[Rainier10]

I think the reason that thread didn't blow up but a tribal one would is because almost everyone is against poachers. We are all in agreement. So there isn't much back and forth. There are only so many posts until it's pointless to post another. With a tribal kill there are folks on both side. So there is a lot of back and forth. But that's just my theory.

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Great point and one I had thought about driving around today. Thanks for bringing that option up.

When everyone is in agreement the thread dies.

Look how this one blew up with comments when bigshooter made his comments that were different than most.

[bearpaw]

  Exactly right, the big discussions are almost always the ones with differing views!

[jackelope]

The reason I posted it was to get the word out that it happened. Maybe someone saw something or who knows what. Make folks aware and maybe they’ll keep an eye peeled. Next time they’re driving down the Tucannon River Rd and they see a pickup looking suspicious it’ll make them think . I wasn’t really expecting a  rise out of anyone.

Full disclosure from me as the guy who started the thread. 

[JWEBB]

I posted in disgust right after jack posted. It’s just as bad as any other poaching in my opinion. Without those does, where will the bucks come from? And I’m sure I’ll get backlash for this but I’m all for ending doe hunts for a few years until our populations go back up. I hunt very close to where this happened and I know firsthand how bad it has gotten. My children will do just fine without a doe tag

[Mr Mykiss]

For me it’s hard to get emotional when even if they were to get caught they would barely be punished.

[pianoman9701]

I think the reason that thread didn't blow up but a tribal one would is because almost everyone is against poachers. We are all in agreement. So there isn't much back and forth. There are only so many posts until it's pointless to post another. With a tribal kill there are folks on both side. So there is a lot of back and forth. But that's just my theory.

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Sounds right.

[Rainier10]

Maybe it is because nobody gets on these threads and argues that it is okay.  Bigshooter said he would be happy if all whitetails were gone and this thread got legs for a little bit.

On the tribal threads you get responses that it is legal for tribal members to shoot as many deer and elk as they want and that is what keeps those threads going, the banter back and forth.  Of course they do have the right to shoot 5 does if they want and whoever shot the deer in the Tucannon probably didn't have the right to, they were breaking the law.

I believe just last year a group of younger tribe members did just that, shot 4 or 5 does and put them in a spot to bait in bald eagles and then shot the eagles IIRC.  That thread didn't go too far as I recall.  I don't remember anyone coming on here saying that it was okay to shoot the deer just to use as bait for eagle feathers.  So maybe some tribal threads don't get blown up and more attention than a poaching thread.

Looks like today is going to be a busy one.  I see there are two new poaching threads.   

[Karl Blanchard]

I try to avoid the drama honestly.  I do get sucked in however when I see blatant inflammatory or false information i.e. 99% of predator threads   in the case of white man poaching, what's to discuss? Guys are dirtbags, it's obviously wrong, and we all agree. 

In the case about the eagles, if I remember right they got busted and were in hot water so not much to discuss.

As for the whitetails, I believe those river rats are considered rodents so not sure why they are so restrictive on their seasons 




 

[boneaddict]

And boom, it’s a ten pager in the making

Interesting. The cuts they took are all the best jerky cuts. See who is selling deer jerky on the side

[Rainier10]

And boom, it’s a ten pager in the making

Interesting. The cuts they took are all the best jerky cuts. See who is selling deer jerky on the side

It is possible that it is tribal and just jerky meat and yes that would get that thread off an running, maybe even this one.

[mtn muley madness]

I'd have to agree with Bigshooter and Blanchard on this. I myself have been referring to whitetails as rats for decades, and my attitude is also "shoot em all." I apply for late whitetail buck tags purely because I want them gone but I'm not willing to give up muley season to go chase them that mule deer season is why I exist. Obviously not poaching as a solution as EVERY hunter/outdoorsman would agree is brutally wrong on so many levels of character issues, morals, values, ethics, disrespect, oh ya and it's ILLEGAL. Unfortunately the punishment as previously stated doesn't match the crime so it comes down to a persons character, morals, values, ethics, respect, etc. to NOT poach and lets face it....some just have NONE of the above.  I am obviously die hard mule deer. Whitetails are a completely different species of deer, more aggressive, and drive mule deer out of areas that used to be mule deer country. In most instances, mule deer don't care to be around whitetails. All the 'safe zones' or river bottoms and towns mule deer used to be thick in numbers in.... northern WA from the pasayten wilderness to idaho is now where the whitetails are thick. A large number of mule deer used to be able to stay in lower elevation areas less susceptible to bears, cougars, wolves, coyotes, hunters, poachers, etc. etc.  You used to be able to drive the highway from methow to curlew and see hundreds of mule deer in the middle of the day DURING hunting seasons and uncountable numbers at first light/evening outside of hunting seasons. Older hunting friend of mine that grew up in the 101-105 gmu areas still remembers being a kid and seeing a whitetail in a field one evening and his dad and buddies were trying to figure out what the heck it was. Now look, it's considered one of the best WHITETAIL areas in the state. They came in, reproduced like rabbits, and drove large numbers of semi resident muleys to higher elevations where survival rates decreased dramatically. They'd see hundreds of muleys every night come out of the foothills into the low land fields across the highway from their house. Now it's all whitey's coming out of the foothills. This is what I've observed in my lifetime and perhaps why us die hard muley guys have a bit of animosity towards their whitetail cousins...seems to be the more whitetail the less mule deer, as if mule deer don't have enough problems going against them already. I do see whitetail as a good tool for getting the next generation of needed hunters involved (youth) and disabled/elderly hunters an opportunity to fill a tag after putting so much money in to conservation over the many years of hunting/fishing licenses and donations.   

[grundy53]

Whitetails are delicious!

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