Conservation NW and BHA

[ribka]

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

[KFhunter]

getting the popcorn

[h20hunter]

Seated and ready for the show.

[ribka]

A high ranking BHA member in Colorado chapter helped get spring bear season shut down


I’m not too bright but maybe someone can explain to me that BHA suports legal ethical hunting.

Love to hear the twisted logic.

[Stein]

The link is a stance of BHA opposed to the transfer of public land, what connection is there to bear hunting?


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[KFhunter]

The more I learn about BHA the worse it gets, there's no denying the vast majority of their funding comes from radical environmental groups.

They dupe hunters into joining, as you were Ribka, in order to show a "bi-partisan" or broad base support for their greater agenda of making more wilderness areas and shutting down access to many hunting and fishing areas.   Oh they'll say they are for increased access, but it's political double speak, that access isn't viable for the majority of hunters and fishermen.


The water thing in Montana is a great example, so much for motoring to your duck hunting spot, you'll have to paddle a canoe or not at all.  That in effect closes off a majority of the river systems in Montana, a guy can only paddle upriver so far!

"look, hunters support this too!" say's the Sierra Club and CNW as they cozy up with BHA. 

[ribka]

The link is a stance of BHA opposed to the transfer of public land, what connection is there to bear hunting?


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The link notes the conservation chair for BHA is the spokesperson for CNW

The head and founder of CNW, Mitch Friedman, is a self admitted eco terrorist who engaged in terrorist activities against the logging industry. He helped get most logging on public lands shut down in the western US with resulted in a environmental disaster and huge forest fires in the western US the past 30 years. 

The forest fires killed countless elk , mule deer and endangered species and released 1000’s of Tons of carbon into the atmosphere. Ironically Mitch Friedman just came out in favor of a carbon tax in Washington  https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/statement-endorsing-initiative-1631/

so CNW could cash out on  regressive taxes that affected primarily poor minority groups.  And as documented CNW pushed uncontrolled Canadian wolf expansion into Washington and Oregon. And CNW has closebties with anti hunting groups at least according to their social media

Crazy that supposedly pro hunting BHA would align themselves with  these anti hunting kooks and scam artists

[mtn muley madness]

Chase Gunnel-Conservation committee chair at BHA
Chase Gunnel-Communications director at CNW

On CNW's meet our staff web page there is also a lady wearing a BHA t-shirt who is the finance manager.

BHA is nothing more than a platform for groups like CNW. They fight the fights groups like CNW want to fight but don't want to take the heat on because they may be controversial or a 'hot topic.' Instead they mask it as hunters and fisherman so people turn on them not the true enviro groups.

The poo runs deep.

[idahohuntr]

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

[dwils233]

The more I learn about BHA the worse it gets, there's no denying the vast majority of their funding comes from radical environmental groups.

They dupe hunters into joining, as you were Ribka, in order to show a "bi-partisan" or broad base support for their greater agenda of making more wilderness areas and shutting down access to many hunting and fishing areas.   Oh they'll say they are for increased access, but it's political double speak, that access isn't viable for the majority of hunters and fishermen

Said once on here so I'll say it again:

If BHA takes money from "radical environmentalist" sources- is that a bad thing? As long as BHA continues doing it's mission, that's less money they would give to org's working against that mission. There's only so much money in that pie and it's much better if BHA gets it over say Greenpeace

Finally, it behooves people accusing BHA of this conspiracy to undermine hunting and access to play the story out all the way. Once again- are all these companies secretly anti-hunting or just so  niaive and stupid they all got conned into GIVING PROFITS away to destroy their own busnet by funding an anti-hunting organization?? Rinella, Newberg, Trump Jr. Then would all have to be stupid or anti-hunting? I don't even want that to sound sarcastic, seriously asking to know what anti-bha'ers think is the rationale.

As far as the CNW thing goes....having and using someone as an ally doesn't mean you always agree with them about everything. It might mean you agree on one thing and work towards that together while holding on to deep and fundamental differences on other issues.

[KFhunter]

I'm sure all that money comes with no strings 

[dwils233]

I'm sure all that money comes with no strings 

Sure, if by strings you mean " awarded a grant based on meeting the outlined requirements during the submission process" with the only strings being to attempt to fulfill the intent for which the grant was issued.

And I guess every corporate sponsor of BHA is in on the conspiracy too then?? Or just bad at and ignorant of their own business interests?

[KFhunter]

So your argument is that BHA is a money laundering organization, turning radical environmental terrorist money into good clean money for hunters 


That's a good one!!

[ribka]

CNW supported legislation to shut down hunting seasons in Washington. I guess that is why I think they’re anti hunting but maybe not as smart as you to decipher the nuances lol

What about Mitch Friedman is a self admitted eco terrorist who destroyed personal property and spiked trees on Public land, our trees, that injured innocent loggers just engaged in
Lawful employment trying to feed their families.

How Are all the wolves pushed by CNW benefiting highly endangered mountain caribou herd in N Idaho. I believe they were wiped out. So
Much for the eco terrorist concern for endangered wildlife.

I can’t stop laughing at the excuses made for the scam group CNW. 

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

[dwils233]

So your argument is that BHA is a money laundering organization, turning radical environmental terrorist money into good clean money for hunters 


That's a good one!!

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, intentionally obtuse or antagonistic  but being awarded a grant is not the same as money laundering. if a organization that does veteran rehab/therpy by taking them hunting or fishing wins a grant from a pubic health non-profit, it doesn't mean they "laundered the money into a radical militant group" it means the veteran group wrote a proposal that the grant issuing body believes falls within the purview of the applications and awards.


I am doing my level best to engage in this as a conversation in a good faith outreach with someone/peoplre who obviously hold a different perspective than me. I'm not trying to do anything other than answer the question (in my perception) as it was originally posed.