Conservation NW and BHA

[Mtnwalker]

Huh?

No,  BHA's mission is to gather up as many names as they can to throw behind legislation they support, like the quite waters initiative blocking access to waterfowlers and hunters alike who used the river system to access hunting areas. 

If BHA had been successful this hunt would be illegal.

What part of the proposal would have made that hunt illegal?

[KFhunter]

They sought to remove combustion engines off that piece of water, which is huge.  You can only paddle so far in a day!


check out how much water BHA wanted to restrict to canoe's and paddles  (all the miles and miles of green lines)

[idahohuntr]

Randy Newberg and Steve Rinella are great hunters and advocates for hunting, that said they are also elite hunters that need big wild open spaces to make great TV, that doesn't necessarily align with multiple use public lands for the average hunter and outdoor recreationist...it just wouldn't do to have a truck or ATV drive through the set would it? 

I also think they like the idea of more wilderness, they don't run cattle, or mine for minerals, or work in the logging industry.  They want to reach as many people as possible and sell their TV for the most amount of money possible..aligning with various groups like BHA, RMEF, SCI and others helps achieve those financial goals. 

I don't take my voting que's from hollywood actors or NFL players.

This drivel is hilarious.  Go watch some of Newbergs content - you will find out you are dead wrong.  Alas, it doesn't really matter, you have no capacity to see past your uninformed hatred of BHA.

But to others reading along - if you don't already know of Newbergs content - check him out.  He's the real deal, comes from a logging family, down to earth, shows don't hide anything...including running into other hunters while out hunting our great public lands.   

[KFhunter]

They sought to remove combustion engines off that piece of water, which is huge.  You can only paddle so far in a day!

It looks like they proposed to leave the majority of the Flathead river under current regulation. I see where they wanted to get rid of jet skis and add a seasonal no wake zone in 2 of the 7 portions but other than I don’t see where they said no combustion engines or made any hunts illegal

I added the maps to my post above

[grundy53]

Randy Newberg and Steve Rinella are great hunters and advocates for hunting, that said they are also elite hunters that need big wild open spaces to make great TV, that doesn't necessarily align with multiple use public lands for the average hunter and outdoor recreationist...it just wouldn't do to have a truck or ATV drive through the set would it? 

I also think they like the idea of more wilderness, they don't run cattle, or mine for minerals, or work in the logging industry.  They want to reach as many people as possible and sell their TV for the most amount of money possible..aligning with various groups like BHA, RMEF, SCI and others helps achieve those financial goals. 

I don't take my voting que's from hollywood actors or NFL players.

This drivel is hilarious.  Go watch some of Newbergs content - you will find out you are dead wrong.  Alas, it doesn't really matter, you have no capacity to see past your uninformed hatred of BHA.

But to others reading along - if you don't already know of Newbergs content - check him out.  He's the real deal, comes from a logging family, down to earth, shows don't hide anything...including running into other hunters while out hunting our great public lands.

I agree Randy's show is great and he is a great spokesman for public land hunting. I also said most members are great and in it for the right reasons. It's the national guys like Tawney I don't trust. Randy is involved but with so much on his plate between hunting season trade show season and tax season I doubt he is involved in the day to day decisions. I feel the same about Rinella. In fact I'm going to his show next month. My wife thinks I have a man crush on him. But that's another story.

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[KFhunter]

Randy Newberg and Steve Rinella are great hunters and advocates for hunting, that said they are also elite hunters that need big wild open spaces to make great TV, that doesn't necessarily align with multiple use public lands for the average hunter and outdoor recreationist...it just wouldn't do to have a truck or ATV drive through the set would it? 

I also think they like the idea of more wilderness, they don't run cattle, or mine for minerals, or work in the logging industry.  They want to reach as many people as possible and sell their TV for the most amount of money possible..aligning with various groups like BHA, RMEF, SCI and others helps achieve those financial goals. 

I don't take my voting que's from hollywood actors or NFL players.

This drivel is hilarious.  Go watch some of Newbergs content - you will find out you are dead wrong.  Alas, it doesn't really matter, you have no capacity to see past your uninformed hatred of BHA.

But to others reading along - if you don't already know of Newbergs content - check him out.  He's the real deal, comes from a logging family, down to earth, shows don't hide anything...including running into other hunters while out hunting our great public lands.

You could be right about Newberg, I'm not a fanboy of anyone. Enjoy your lazyboy watching your favorite hunting shows - I'll be in the woods, I don't watch a lot of hunting shows,  I'm always like "why am I watching this crap and not hunting myself?" then I go outside. 

but if what you say is true about Newberg's logging family, I'm curious how he could support BHA's drive for more wilderness 

[ribka]

Deflect and lie

The full time paid spokesman ( not a volunteer)for cnw is on the board for BHA
CNW is run by a self avowed eco terrorist

Why would BHA put a spokesman for an anti hunting organization and eco terrorist who destroyed the eco system of the western US on its board if it is pro hunting?

CNW supported legislation to shut down hunting seasons in Washington. I guess that is why I think they’re anti hunting but maybe not as smart as you to decipher the nuances lol

What about Mitch Friedman is a self admitted eco terrorist who destroyed personal property and spiked trees on Public land, our trees, that injured innocent loggers just engaged in
Lawful employment trying to feed their families.

How Are all the wolves pushed by CNW benefiting highly endangered mountain caribou herd in N Idaho. I believe they were wiped out. So
Much for the eco terrorist concern for endangered wildlife.

I can’t stop laughing at the excuses made for the scam group CNW. 

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

I'm not following - I'm talking about BHA...not CNW.  You are saying because two separate groups both oppose a piece of legislation they are aligned in all other ways?  BHA is not anti hunting...so thats an absurd argument.  I don't even care if one of their volunteers works for CNW.  Show me where BHA is doing things to undermine hunting and promote anti hunting initiatives...please hurry...I think its important we alert Kimber, Weatherby, Cooper Firearms, Federal Premium ammo, and many other big hunting and firearms businesses that they've all been duped! 

[idahohuntr]

You have some major issue with a CNW staff being a VOLUNTEER for the local WA BHA Chapter.  That CNW Staff member is a self proclaimed hunter and angler.  Why would he post that he hunts and fishes on his CNW staff page if he is anti hunting and fishing?  Seems that would be bad for business for an eco terrorist anti hunting organization - as you describe them.

Lets add some logic to your drivel...the guy is not an anti-hunter and he wants to also volunteer with BHA when he's not at work.  Pretty simple.  You are letting your hatred absolutely blind you to real facts and its sad.  I don't agree with a lot of CNW stuff and I'm sure they have lots of staff who don't hunt or are anti-hunters...this guy is not one of them and so I don't see any logical link to condemning BHA because they have a volunteer who who works at CNW.   

Also, as I stated earlier - your suggestion that if 2 orgs both oppose the same legislation that means they are aligned on all other things...literally the dumbest argument I've heard in a long time. 

BHA is a hunting organization made up of hunters and anglers across the country - they are the fastest growing hunting org in the country.  Its so absurd to suggest they are anti hunting I don't even get why you would pursue such an illogical argument.   

Deflect and lie

The full time paid spokesman ( not a volunteer)for cnw is on the board for BHA
CNW is run by a self avowed eco terrorist

Why would BHA put a spokesman for an anti hunting organization and eco terrorist who destroyed the eco system of the western US on its board if it is pro hunting?

CNW supported legislation to shut down hunting seasons in Washington. I guess that is why I think they’re anti hunting but maybe not as smart as you to decipher the nuances lol

What about Mitch Friedman is a self admitted eco terrorist who destroyed personal property and spiked trees on Public land, our trees, that injured innocent loggers just engaged in
Lawful employment trying to feed their families.

How Are all the wolves pushed by CNW benefiting highly endangered mountain caribou herd in N Idaho. I believe they were wiped out. So
Much for the eco terrorist concern for endangered wildlife.

I can’t stop laughing at the excuses made for the scam group CNW. 

I used to be a member of BHA in Washington until I saw they aligned themselves with the anti hunting organization Conservation NW. the conservation chair for BHA is also the spokesman for conservation NW.

Can someone explain why BHA would aligned themselves with an organization run by an anti hunting eco terrorist?

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/wa_bha_comments_6140

It appears to me that you are suggesting anyone that has the same view on a position (say, opposing a specific land transfer bill) means they are "aligned" in all other ways?  That's just dumb, so you must be suggesting something here that I'm not understanding.

If you are suggesting BHA is anti-hunting - how do explain the mountain of evidence to the contrary?  For example, I think I've watched a tv show where the WA chair of BHA hound hunts lions with Steve Rinella...certainly you would not consider that an anti hunting platform, would you?

I'm not following - I'm talking about BHA...not CNW.  You are saying because two separate groups both oppose a piece of legislation they are aligned in all other ways?  BHA is not anti hunting...so thats an absurd argument.  I don't even care if one of their volunteers works for CNW.  Show me where BHA is doing things to undermine hunting and promote anti hunting initiatives...please hurry...I think its important we alert Kimber, Weatherby, Cooper Firearms, Federal Premium ammo, and many other big hunting and firearms businesses that they've all been duped! 

[MtnMuley]

We have a big CNW guy now on the local MDF committee. Many of us have parted ways with that chapter. Anybody who affiliates with CNW and calls themselves a hunter to me can pound sand.

[KFhunter]

I'm curious why Idahohunter carries so much water for BHA?   We have BHA members and spokesmen as well as regular members and volunteers on HW, quite a few!
yet most of them choose to keep it on the downlow..why is that?

[KFhunter]

Steven Rinella did a stand up thing and disavowed Cherin Group (rabid liberals out to take your guns) when they invested in the meateater show, or rather he strongly stated that he didn't agree with Chernin group politics and that it wouldn't affect his show in any way, and that he was a strong supporter of 2A. 

Can you show me anywhere where Backcountry Hunters and Anglers have done likewise with any of their funders? 
Can you show me where BHA has disavowed Tides, Pew, Sierra Club or any of its subsidiaries?  <--largest source of funding for BHA comes from these groups

Can you show me where BHA has disavowed or even disagreed with CNW?


and don't try to sell me this line of crap that BHA is going to turn this green eco-terrorist dirty money into clean useful money for hunters and anglers 

[Stein]

Here are some more organizations aligned with CNW:

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/bpag-letter-wildlife-funding/

Washington Wildlife Federation
Hunters Heritage Council
Puget Sound Anglers
Washington Trollers Association
Ilwaco Charter Association

Here is a stance they have taken:

We support $60 million in additional funding for the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife, including modest fee increases and $45 million in General Fund appropriations.

To avoid associating or affiliating with them, maybe we should call our representatives and demand no general funding or extra money for WDFW.

This type of thinking is a huge part of the trouble we have in this country.  The though of "you are either 100% with me or you are my sworn enemy" is taking over both sides of the political spectrum and leaves zero space to work together and accomplish anything.  Many here are probably old enough to remember when people used to put aside their differences and work together on common goals.

3% of the people in this state over 16 hunt.  If we continue to push away anyone that isn't in 100% agreement with every stance we have on any topic, hunters will become extinct.  Hunting numbers in our state are down 11% in 10 years despite the population booming 22%.  Youth hunting numbers are down 22%.

When a group of organizations come together and try to get additional funding for WDFW to provide general funding for fish and game conservation, or try to stop selling of public lands and we tell them to go to h-e-double hockey sticks and call out and cut ties with any organization that happens to agree with a good idea just because CNW also does, we are doing a tremendous disservice to the future generations that will not enjoy the privileges we do.

[KFhunter]

That    I can agree with,  we do need to work with others.   My beef with BHA is they hide and obfuscate their true goals.    Be open and honest about it, about their funding and their intended purpose with that money...

stop duping hunters into joining a green decoy


Stop trying to restrict my access (ATV's, Boats with engines,  Trucks etc)   quit trying to run cattle out of the woods,  quit trying to shut down rural livelihoods!

[WAcoyotehunter]

I'm the east side co chair and will find time to chime in.  I'm busy coaching state wrestling this weekend, then have to collar cougars all next week, so computer access is going to be tough. 

I can say that so far in the thread it's pretty much the same wore out argument from people that hate CNW.   Whatever. Like any group that's been around for 30 years they have baggage.  I don't like that they worked to stop hound hunting but have worked with them to get some of it back, and they are supportive of some of that legislation again this year.

Maybe if we (hunters) had had that relationship in 1996 the initiative would have been defeated... ?

It's also true that we have a CNW staffer on the state board, as well as a tribal wildlife biologist, WDFW technician, financial advisor, pilot, log buyer, police officer.... Ect. That doesn't make BHA any more closely aligned with the airline industry or tribes than it does CNW.

Our CNW staff member is an avid hunter and  fisherman and is dedicated to that protecting those privileges.  We have been more effective with him on the board and are glad he's a part of BHA.   

My suspicion is that the few of you that are bashing CNW have never spent a minute actually talking to one of their staffers.  It would probably help inform your opinion.

[KFhunter]

I'm the east side co chair and will find time to chime in.  I'm busy coaching state wrestling this weekend, then have to collar cougars all next week, so computer access is going to be tough. 

I can say that so far in the thread it's pretty much the same wore out argument from people that hate CNW.   Whatever. Like any group that's been around for 30 years they have baggage.  I don't like that they worked to stop hound hunting but have worked with them to get some of it back, and they are supportive of some of that legislation again this year.

Maybe if we (hunters) had had that relationship in 1996 the initiative would have been defeated... ?

It's also true that we have a CNW staffer on the state board, as well as a tribal wildlife biologist, WDFW technician, financial advisor, pilot, log buyer, police officer.... Ect. That doesn't make BHA any more closely aligned with the airline industry or tribes than it does CNW.

Our CNW staff member is an avid hunter and  fisherman and is dedicated to that protecting those privileges.  We have been more effective with him on the board and are glad he's a part of BHA.   

My suspicion is that the few of you that are bashing CNW have never spent a minute actually talking to one of their staffers.  It would probably help inform your opinion.

Now we're getting somewhere, thanks for taking the time to address this 

People like Idahohunter are doing BHA a huge disservice with their caustic language and personal attacks, I look forward to asking questions from someone who actually knows something about BHA 

Idahohunter has stated he is not a member or affiliated with BHA in anyway when asked by Bearpaw